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UH-1H "NAM ERA" Colors
Posted by wooty on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:43 AM

Hi

Which colors in ModelMaster or Tamiya would be closest to the UH-1H in Veitnam. Both Interior & Exterior?

All help would and will be appreciated.

Cheers

Robert

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Posted by HeavyArty on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 6:57 AM
Exterior - OD Green.  Interior is varying shades of gray for the metalic parts and fabric on the bulkheads and roof.  Seat cusions either red (early) or green.  Instrument panel gray with black instrument faces.

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Posted by wooty on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 8:32 AM

Thanks Gino

Can always count on you.

So for exterior just MM OD Green and MM Gray

Cheers

Robert

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Posted by grandadjohn on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:03 AM

Thought a picture might help, note armored seats not installed on this helo

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Posted by hmills16 on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:59 PM

The H model ships were OD on the outside, usually well faded after time and not pristine.  Medium gray on the inside floors and sound blankets and the seats were Gray mesh inside OD green armor plate.  On the A/B/C early models the nylon seats were red.  Later seats were gray mesh.  Some may have been green.

Hugh Mills

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Posted by PatlaborUnit1 on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 2:43 PM

Hugh

good to see you on the boards. I wanted to make it to OKC with MCIV but was unable to. Maybe next time!

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Posted by wooty on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 4:50 PM

Hi,

John thanks for the pic, when i start i wanna scratchbuild he interior detail of the pilots doors, so that pic will come in handy.

Hugh, So i might be able to use MM Faded Olive Drab? With a little weathering, as i have heard that crewcheifs take pretty good care of their birds?

Thanks Again

Robert

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Posted by Melgyver on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 8:57 PM

Robert,

Wish I was home to see what MM OD I was using on the UH-1C, but the "faded" OD seems right. I had this picture from the inside of the cockpit looking out the left pilots door.  Good shot of the collective and "indentation" for it on the pilots door.  Probably have a better one home I can post next week.  Also included a shot of the pilots collective and instrument panel I had on Photo Bucket.  They are of a UH-1M but the paint job is the same as is all the instruments and console, with the exception of the armament panel and nose bracing for the 40 mm visible in the nose.

 

Dave,

I think I may be off for the Cajun Fest this year.  What is the date?  April 21 or 22?

Clear Left!

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Posted by wooty on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 9:55 PM

G'Day Mel

Thanks for the pictures they will come in handy, especially the inside of the door pic.

I just want to add a little extra detail to the inside of the doors both pilots and rear crew doors.

Have'nt decided if doors will be open or closed but still want that detail there!!

Thanks Again

C'ya Mate

Robert 

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Posted by grandadjohn on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:12 PM
Going to try MM Faded Olive Drab on a OH-58A myself, I have had trouble matching the paint before. That color seems about right.
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Posted by wooty on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:30 PM

I used it for the first time a short ago on and WWII U.S Halftrack and was impressed by it, that was after a coat of clear some weathering and a hit of dullcote!

Not bad at all!

Bye

Rob

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Posted by richgb on Thursday, January 18, 2007 3:08 AM

Hi Wooty,

I hope you don't mind me hi-jacking your thread, but it saves me starting another one. While we're on the subject of Huey colours, what colour is the sleeve to the collective. I only have black and white pics. The painting instructions in the kit says pale green, but they look either black or ghost grey in my B&W pics but can't tell for certain. Thanks,    Rich

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Posted by wooty on Thursday, January 18, 2007 3:30 AM

Hi Rich

I dont mind,

Is this what you where after?

 

 

HTH

Robert

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Posted by HeavyArty on Thursday, January 18, 2007 7:12 AM
Usually, the collective sleeve was either black or gray.  The above cockpit shots are not typical for Vietnam era Huey's.  The blacked out cockpit was a later mod (late '70s - early '80s) for use with Night Vision Goggles (NVGs).  The gray cockpit and interior was too bright under NVGs and would wash them out.

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Posted by grandadjohn on Thursday, January 18, 2007 7:43 AM
Never saw that black of a cockpit in the 70's while I was still in the Army. Please refer to the picture I posted earlier
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Posted by PatlaborUnit1 on Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:48 AM

Mel

Sweet! You know Ill be there, may even have a little in-progress surprise by then.....

(Going O/T)

Yes, CajunModelfest XXII is on Saturday April 21st.   We would love to have as many people in the Southern US be able to attend as possible!

(Back O/T)

I use MM OD as my base coat, then apply a thin layer of Faded OD over it, letting most of the regular OD show thru, that way it is not TOO bleached out.

HTH

David

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Posted by wooty on Thursday, January 18, 2007 1:54 PM

OPPS My Bad

Maybey this is a little closer to it??

 

Robert

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Posted by NASA 736 on Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:11 PM

Floors were light gray, early A,B,C, models had a black stripe across the cargo deck (non-slip), painted in width from the troop seats to the jump seats, so the grunts could get some traction getting in and out. On D and H models the black stripes formed an "H" with black (non-slip) running outboard from the seat legs to the cargo door edge.  Often times non-slip was not available so we would mix sand with black paint to make it into non-slip.

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Posted by grandadjohn on Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:18 PM

To me OD is to dark as seen in the photo above

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Posted by PatlaborUnit1 on Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:24 PM

Grandadjohn

this pic looks very gloss, like what some Marine units used, making it look very much darker than its nonspecular stablemates.  Even with that said, I think you are right that this IS in fact a darker shade.

 Is this a training variety machine?

 

David

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Posted by grandadjohn on Friday, January 19, 2007 5:12 PM

Yes, it was a training helo, picture was taken at Mother Rucker in the summer of 68. Army was transitioning paint scheme's at that time. Orginal scheme was gloss OD with full color marking, this photo represent a gloss OD without markings and the third was the OD shade in my first picture post. Was not uncommon to see a mixture of paint scheme's durung that time peroid and did vary somewhat on location also

PS That is me in both photo's

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Posted by shaun68 on Saturday, January 27, 2007 4:05 PM
wooty, don't forget our RAAFies had black (?) sheepskin seat covers in our Hueys, so you'll need to figure out something there
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Posted by Grimmo on Saturday, January 27, 2007 6:51 PM
are you modelling the slick or the Bushranger version?
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Posted by wooty on Saturday, January 27, 2007 8:23 PM

Black Sheep skins it will be then, Shaun.

Grimmo i am modeling the Bushranger with miniguns foward of troop cabin door and rockets in the usual place with twin M60s for each door gunner to play with.

Cheers

Robert

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Posted by Archangel on Sunday, January 28, 2007 3:53 AM

If you ever want to do anoter one that is even more unique then this one that was in my brothers unitin Vietnam should do it. It had chrome plated mini guns on the sides. Yhe best thing is MRC already made a model of it in 1/35th scale.

http://members.aol.com/mm27176th/176aircraft.html#Gunships

 http://members.aol.com/czipperer/jwilson41958.jpg

This one had Chrome trim on it's guns

 http://members.aol.com/celestmich/pics176/thor07.jpg

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Grimmo on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 2:18 AM
I would love to do a model of the bushranger. Make sure you post some pics when you start buiulding it!
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Posted by Huey Nut on Thursday, January 29, 2009 5:35 PM

Hi all,

Probably the worst place to join a modeling forum is in the middle of a discussion of color.  However, this has been a passion of mine for many years.  I came to Vietnam Jan. 12, 1967 as a freshly minted UH-1 crewchief (67N20) for those of you who were there.  I was already a modeler.  Along with my regular military duties I was determined to document helicopters I was seeing, with the idea of producing something modelers could use.  The model kits available at that time were the Monogram 1/48 UH-1A kit, and Aurora's UH-1B, with M-22 kit and XM-3 kit.  But I knew there would be more, just didn't realize non of them would be any good until the C model in 1/35 that MRC put out.  Long wait!  While I crewed both guns and slicks, I was most partial in my recordation to guns.  I crewed a HU-1B that we repainted about every three months.  The paint color was FS 24087 or 34087 Olive Drab, that is what was on the can.  I remember only the last time actually using 34087 which was very flat compared to 24087 which was kinda of a semi-gloss.  I remember it waxed up real nice.  I can assure you that each time we painted this helicopter it looked different, ie a different shade of OD.  Other than when new units arrived with a new batch of Huey's, I never saw two aircraft, even in the same unit, that looked exactly alike in color tone.  Sunlight, heat, conditions when the aircraft was painted (ie. RH and temperature), not to mention mix and finish under the new paint job all effected coloration.  All the 1st Cav Huey's, the ones that came over in '65 all looked pretty close, but after a few months and in some cases a few years, they all looked a little different.  I guess my point it that it is hard to be wrong with a color on your model.  As others have suggested on this forum, the best thing to go by is pictures of the aircraft you are modeling, start with the basic color mix and blend 'til you get what looks good to you.  Another thing to keep in mind is that Hueys were/are very messy machines, especially Bs and D/Hs that had oil reservours on the blade grips.  This red oil, went everywhere when you cranked up the rotor.  Plus you had grease on all the bearings for the control rods on the rotor head.  When you greased those, during a 100 hr. or when they got dry, then cranked up, that stuff got flung all over the top of the cabin, tail boom and sync elevator tops.  The tail rotor was doing the same to the fin and rear of the tail boom.  If you cleaned it, especially with any kind of solvent, exhaust track cleaner (yes there was such a thing, though we didn't see much of it) you could often take off the finish or lighten it up.  My starting point for painting Hueys is Testors 34087.  Darken it, lighten it, mix in white, yellow or blue and you can do just about any shade of OD you see in a photo.

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