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Posted by urich on Thursday, November 1, 2007 11:45 PM
Empeter were you in BD? I used to work on the LZ were this picture was taken in the FD. I also use to see the white MI that came in I believe it was shot down in 05 in the north
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Posted by bondoman on Thursday, November 1, 2007 10:55 PM

Me too, me too!!

There was a story about the Northern Alliance turned one of these they'd captured into a bus (really)  and ran it up and down the road in Northern Afganistan. Forced out of the valley, it was recaptured by the Soviets, who sent some senior staff out to look at it. Blew up when they opened the door.

Might interest the Auto guys too?

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Posted by TheLastPriest on Thursday, November 1, 2007 6:55 PM
Wow this is a really interesting thread, I live over on the A/C forum but this one sucked me in

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Posted by intruder_bass on Thursday, November 1, 2007 11:15 AM

  Wow one more cool pic! Thanks

 Do you think those supressors are modifyed Super Cobra's or something absolutley new?

 Andy

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Posted by empeter on Thursday, November 1, 2007 1:18 AM
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Posted by intruder_bass on Thursday, August 9, 2007 11:03 PM

  While trying to find pics of Israeli Hip (which I was not able to find BTW)

I have found another shot of CIA Hip))))))

 

its on the background here

 Andy

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Posted by leadfooterm535i on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:05 PM
we flew missions in the same area where these guys were at in 2002. guess who got shot at more. "every farmer with a rifle, huh?"

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Posted by ridleusmc on Monday, July 2, 2007 3:07 AM

I do have to laugh, at least a little bit.  It seems a little weird, but I can understand the need to blend in.  I guess if it's not an old Soviet helicopter it's a plain white Toyota pickup truck.  I can certainly respect the old Hip. 

GO GO SECRET SQUIRRELS   

Semper Fi,

Chris

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Posted by SnakeDoctor on Sunday, July 1, 2007 6:51 PM

Chris:

You are correct. I was in Kuwait in April 2003 and talked to some of those folks. This person said you were less likely to get shot at in this aircraft. They also had a 412 and you could see a few Hughes birds in Baghdad later on. The markings on the side were to help id them to American forces. They wanted to blend in but not too much.

Ed

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Posted by intruder_bass on Sunday, July 1, 2007 3:06 PM

  

Thats almost exactly what it says in the article!

   + there are also some other factors

   Hip has a higher operational ceiling (which is very important in montain terrain), twice larger troop copacity and cargo bay volume then Black Hawk.

 

Andy

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Posted by AH1Wsnake on Sunday, July 1, 2007 11:26 AM
 ridleusmc wrote:

Huh, Why Hips?  CIA doesn't care to buy American?  Are they fooling anybody?  Weird things are done by the... Secret Squirels.

Semper Fi,

Chris

The supply route for parts may be easier to maintain in the areas of the world they operate in. The ex-Soviet stuff seems pretty prolific over there, including surplus. Maybe they're trying to avoid the questions and paper trail involved when a box labeled "Sikorsky" is sent to whatever "-stan" they are operating in. Also, I don't know if the intent is to fool anybody, rather than just using an airframe that is somewhat more indigenous to the country. Rumbling along in a blackhawk would just be a dead giveaway. Maybe the Hips are meant to blend in more.

Andy

 

 

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Posted by ridleusmc on Sunday, July 1, 2007 12:23 AM

Huh, Why Hips?  CIA doesn't care to buy American?  Are they fooling anybody?  Weird things are done by the... Secret Squirels.

Semper Fi,

Chris

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:17 PM

Hey Empeter, cool pics of the Hip... were they taken at Balad?  The HAS shelters in the background looked familiar, arranged parallel to the other runway in the background of the shot.  I saw several Hips flying around, near the 160th bubbas while I was over there earlier this year.  Also saw one up close when it stopped in at Robert Gray Army Airfield here at Ft. Hood last year... larger than I thought they'd be, but very sturdy-looking.  They would definitely make a nice-looking model in 1/48.

Semper Fi,

Brian

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Posted by empeter on Saturday, June 30, 2007 3:13 PM
Great post, thanks!
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Posted by Cobrahistorian on Saturday, June 30, 2007 2:40 PM

Looks like dual -144s and a bat-wing SATCOM antenna on the top of the tailboom.  Cool stuff indeed!

 

Jon 

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Posted by intruder_bass on Saturday, June 30, 2007 1:58 PM

   Yesterday got a new International Air Power Review vol21 and there is a huge article on Mi-8/17 helicopters. Some very interesting info and a lot of photos including some more CIA Hip pics

  Here is the scanned copy of one of the pages.

 

According to that article IRSignature supressors were installed only in Iraq

Andy

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Posted by intruder_bass on Sunday, April 15, 2007 1:29 PM

  The only photo I had before Empeter post was this one from Jenuary issue of AFM

 Note that back doors are OFF on these birds! That would look cool on model - full interior is exposed.

Andy

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Posted by richgb on Sunday, April 15, 2007 3:39 AM

Hi Andy,

Have a look at this pic. Not a close up but might give you ideas of the paint scheme.

http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww3/v/40/3/0

Good luck,

Rich

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Posted by empeter on Sunday, April 15, 2007 3:17 AM
 intruder_bass wrote:
According to AFM there are at least 6 Hips with CIA service. This is one of them for sure!
Yep, it's registered to the same company as N25308. A friend sent me these, he thought it was strange that a foreign aircraft had an FAA registration number.
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Posted by AH1Wsnake on Sunday, April 15, 2007 3:06 AM

Looks like dual ALQ-144's on the tailboom underside?

Nice..........now if only we had a nice 1/48 kit of the Hip  Whistling [:-^]

--Andy

 

 

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Posted by intruder_bass on Saturday, April 14, 2007 8:31 PM

   Oh wow! Thanks for these pics!

According to AFM there are at least 6 Hips with CIA service. This is one of them for sure!

The most interesting thing about those Hips is the "unknown" design of Infrared Suppression Cool Air Mixers! Thats why I am trying locate some more photos of them.

  Please let me know if you happen to see any other pics of it!

 Thanks a lot!

Andy

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Posted by empeter on Saturday, April 14, 2007 8:10 PM

I thought I had pictures of it, but they are of N25299.

 

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CIA Mi-8 Hip
Posted by intruder_bass on Saturday, April 14, 2007 11:26 AM

  Hi,

Anybody has a subscribtion for "Airforces monthly" here?

Looking through Jenuary issue of it I found a photo of Mi-8 Hip (N25308) used by CIA in Iraq. Apperently there were some more photos of this bird posted in privious issues, for instance November 2006, page 69. Anybody can help me with that pic? OR ANY OTHER pics of that Mi-8?

 Thanks in advance!

Andy

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