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MRC's Heavy Hog
Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 1, 2007 9:29 PM

I have begun work on MRC's Huey. My question to you guys is how do you make those scratchbuilt parts. I have looked through alot of reading on this forum and just have to scratch my head. Do you have to have special tools when re-working the rotor head. How do you know what kind of plastic to use. I have not been doing this as long as some of you guys have. My skills to scratchbuilding are close to none. I have looked at intruder-bass huey and all I can say is wow. Do you have any WIP pics showing your scratchbuilding of the engine area.

Thanks for any insight.  

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Posted by Melgyver on Sunday, July 1, 2007 9:53 PM

Andy is in a "class" all his own as far as I'm concerned in scratchbuilding!   I guess you first must have a "passion" to do the work and some "talent" to turn plastic "stock" into "parts".  Research and good pictures are the key to getting started.  Other than a good set of needle files, Dremel tool or other small hobby drill and xacto knife you pretty much don't need a bunch of "specialty" tools.  They would come in handy but not necessary.  I found the the razor saw and miter box really handy too. Good luck!

 

Clear Left!

Mel

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Posted by intruder_bass on Sunday, July 1, 2007 10:40 PM

  

   Thanks for the compliments.

As Mel pointed the key to good looking model is a reference matirial. There are a lot of great modellers here on FSM and a lot of knowledgeable people who will always help you to find the answers on any helicopter related subjects.

  Tools... You dont really need expencive tools to achive your goals. I heared several times from "Pro modellers" stories like - " Hey, you must buy an Iwata airbrush! It will improve your skills big time", or "oh, you gotto have the mini lethe! Only with that stuff you can make your dreams come true" and so on...

   Its all BS

   #11 blade, few sending sticks, Tamiya glue and masking tape, Badger 150 airbrush, Milliput and some Evergreen styrene - these are pritty much all my tools.

   Andy  

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 2, 2007 7:17 PM

Thanks for the insight. Where would I find stuff to put into my Huey. Like some M-16's, gernades and somke gernades.

  

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Posted by skypirate1 on Monday, July 2, 2007 9:58 PM

AKA-BIG10,

Like you im pretty new to the whole scratch building issue and have two MRC UH-1Cs sitting here looking at me, begging to be built, but after seeing Andys build, ive held off untill i could do them atleast a little bit of justice.

Im in the middle of a building my first UH-1H and the quest for a "realistic build" has made it into the slowest most expensive model ive ever made lol.

I may be able to save you a little bit of time by sharing with you what ive learnt from the guys on here over the last 6 or 7 months.

Most importantly as mentioned by Mel and Andy is RESEARCH, look through as many pictures as you can. Originaly i was just going to build my MRC out of the box using the decals provided untill i did a bit of research, then i was left with the question of which unit's huey to build. A great site to start your research and find a huey to re-create is...

http://www.vhpamuseum.org/defaultmenu.shtml

The next step is to know your limits! as we are both fairly new to scratch building and dont want to ruin our models, the best option is to use parts built by someone else. Even the most experienced modelers on here will turn to the Photo-etched part companies, as some of the Tiny details are next to impossible to scratch build.

There is a site called eduard Model Accessories that provide very detailed interior, exterior and external weapons sets for the MRC UH-1C. If you see a very well detailed UH-1C Model,some of that detail usually comes from here...

http://www.eduard.cz/

I have the interior set on the way and will hopefully be getting the weapons set next. Though as Andy previously advised me, as the sets are made from 0.16mm brass plate they can be a bit tricky to use so you have to be careful with parts like the minigun ammo belt.Though if your building the Heavy Hog that shouldnt apply to you.

Another invaluable source of helicopter bits and bobs is the Cobra Company. They supply resin parts for all manner of helicopters, I know the vast majority of people on here use the site. Ive just been told by a very good friend on here that my half of a joint order from Cobra Co has just arrived in the UK for my UH-1H and i cant wait to see them :)

I cant say off-hand exactly whats available for the UH-1C as i havnt got that far yet, but im pretty sure Chris does a set that can turn your UH-1C into a UH-1B and ive seen that he does a quad M60 set for the MRC (the twin fixed machine guns you see mounted with rockets on the outside of early gunships in Vietnam) as far as i know Cobra company is the only place you can get them in 1/35 scale. ( i deffo have my eye on a set Wink [;)])

http://www.cobracompany.com/

Next is scratch build bits, ive learnt that you can get stuff called Styrene from most model stores, it comes in sheets, rods and tubes and is the plastic everyone uses for scratch building also you can use brass/copper/aluminium tubing and rods for rockets and stuff. styrene and wire is probably all you need for your engine detail, though Andy (Intruder_Bass) is probably the best person to ask. Foil and adhesive foil are also handy things to have and i think some people use the lead foil from the top of wine bottles for making seat belts. A sharp blade a good file some tamiya clear green for the overhead green windows and olive drab for the body, some Klear helps with decals and making glass dials on the control panal look like glass. As far as putty goes i bought the "Squadron White" as it appeared loads in the threads on here, but the "brain damage" warning that comes with it insured the lid has stayed on lol.so i opted for Milliput which is harmless and great to use. Im sure Squadron is fine but if your paranoid like me, get milliput Big Smile [:D]

Lastly, as far as M16s,grenades and smoke grenades, you should have some grenades and smoke grenades included in the MRC kit! they also provide a little box to put them in,check your kit, For M16s M79s M60s keep your eyes open for any of the Dragon 1/35 "Nam" series figure sets, i picked up a few including first Air Cavelry and marines, they come with all manner of Vietnam era small arms and have been a great help in adding detail to my huey.

As your building the XM3 24 tube rocket hog i wouldnt worry to much about M16s as it was an early model gunship and in the early days the crew carried little more than thier side arms.

Anyway appologies for the length of the post but its my trade mark lol, hope it helps, If you have any questions ask away i will help all i can and the guys on here are great for advice, Mel Flew with the 174th AHC (i hope i got that right) so he knows his stuff and Andy is the King of scratch building so you have deffo come to the right place Wink [;)]

Good luck with your build, have fun.

Andy

 

 

 

 

 

While the rest of the crew may be in the same predicament, it's almost always the pilot's job to arrive at the crash site first.
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Posted by Cobrahistorian on Tuesday, July 3, 2007 7:11 AM

Sign - Ditto [#ditto]

Couldn't have said it better myself!

When it comes down to it, take your time, and enjoy it.  My first scratchbuilding job I got so wrapped around the axles on what others were going to think about it, that I almost scrapped the thing.  Looking back, I'm glad I didn't.   My 32nd Cobra's engine compartment and 20mm cannon aren't "master modeler" quality, but I'm proud of them and will continue to update em as my skills improve!  I'm really happy with the way they look now and I realize that with good references and some basic materials, it is possible to scratchbuild just about anything in plastic!

Jon
 

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Posted by Chief Snake on Tuesday, July 3, 2007 8:52 AM

Cobra Company will be introducing sets geared at "stuff" carried in helicopters very shortly. I have worked up a "crew" set with items such as empty boxes, grenades, oil cans, tool box, rags etc. to sort of add character to your build. Also have worked up an "ash and trash" set, cargo commonly found being transported by various helicopters. This stuff varies from water jugs and Mermite food cans thru ammo crates, gas cans and wire up to 55 gallon drums. These will be availiable late this month or August- 1st week.

As for the MRC kit of the UH-1C, I consider it the benchmark to measure all other helicopter kits by. For an injection molded offering it's the best all around engineered, accurate kit I've ever encountered. Two minor errors- the pitch change horns were designed with the AH-1G in mind and therefore have the operating connection upside down, just file the slot open. The armor panels for the seats are shown installed upside down, that's a drawing error. And they failed to mention what parts #44 are and where they go, they are the control tubes that run from the drive links to the stabilizer bar. If there were any other way to improve on the kit within my area of work I would but that just isn't so. Anything you could add to it is contained in the Eduard photo-etch sets. If you build any UH-1C with the M-5 40mm launcher on it, you'll have to scratchbuild the sighting unit. The flex sight supplied in the kits only applied to M-6, M-16 and M-21 systems.

Chief Snake 

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Posted by intruder_bass on Tuesday, July 3, 2007 10:13 AM

   Its kinda funny, I've read Chief's post and went on aeroscale to check the news...

  And the first thing I found there is this comment:

"It's the MRC UH-1C, and I don't know about others, but I learned to hate it... The fit is terrible. The inside does not fit into the fuselage, the clear parts do not fit into their place. And millions of rivets disappeared when I filled the gaps (especially at the bottom). Some I replaced with superglue-dots, but I just gave up after a while. Had I known how much work the fitting and filling be, I wouldn't have bothered with the engine..."

Laugh [(-D]

http://aeroscale.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=98162&page=2

Andy

 

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Posted by rotorwash on Tuesday, July 3, 2007 10:44 AM

Andy,

  Having produced the ULTIMATE Hog ship using the MRC kit, what are YOUR opinions regarding the quality and fit?

      Ray

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Posted by intruder_bass on Tuesday, July 3, 2007 11:07 AM

  I totaly agree with Chief Snake and I have said that before - 1/35 MRC/Academy Huey is the best kit of the helicopter in that scale on the market! Next would be Trumpeter Hind.

  and by "best" I do not mean PERFECT! The kit still requires some filling and sending and dry fitting. It is far from "Tamiya 1/32 F-16 quality", when fit is so good that it actually becomes pritty boring build.

   The MRC Huey is a good combination of accuracy/price/fit. Looks good OOB or can become a great platform for superdetailing and modifying 

Andy

 

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Posted by rotorwash on Tuesday, July 3, 2007 1:26 PM

Since my personal stash of kits currently contains about 70 Huey models, I think I am at least qualified ot say that the MRC kits absolutely outshines all other Huey kits on the sprue.  The only possible exception being the Seminar 1/35 UH-1B  which also seems to be a great kit.  The miniguns in  the Seminar kit have as many parts as the entire model in some 1/72 hueys!

    Ray 

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 3, 2007 5:31 PM

WOW guys, thanks for all of the great replies. I have some WIP pics of my build but I am a little timid to post with the great work I have seen. Its mostly just going to be an oob build so I can get used to the kit. I did not have any references at the time so its not accurate. And I put the seat armor on wrong like the instructions show.

Sence then, I have serveral books coming on the Huey and some more MRC kits as well. I will also be going over to Cobra Company and getting some stuff. 

I plane on doing a little Vietnam helicopter project for myself. I have the Revell Cobra, Dragon's Huey and the little bird. Also will be getting Trump's Chinook. 

Once again, thanks for all of the great replies.  

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Posted by apprentice68 on Wednesday, July 4, 2007 4:41 AM
Hello all.My name is Chris.I am new to the forum and after browsing the forum(mainly the Helicopters section) I would just like to say hello and thank all the veterans who are here and tell them all how much their service to our country means to me.It adds so much to the forum to have the valuable insight and knowledge that they have provided,and it adds a wealth of inspiration to know that some of the people that actually flew, crewed and serviced these birds are willing to share this knowledge with us.I have had an ongoing love affair with the Huey for many, many years and when I got married ,my love only grew stronger when I found out my new brother in law flew with the 175th Aviation Company (OUTLAWS) in Vietnam.He was the A/C of Outlaw 13.He has many great stories to tell as well as some about the horrors he experienced there.It really brings home the meaning of heroism and sacrifce by those that were there.Thanks so much guys.Sorry for the length of this post, but the Veterans mean alot to me and I just wanted to say thanks and WELCOME HOME!Of course I also have many questions as I too have begun work on the MRC/Academy "HEAVY hOG" after being inspired by all the excellent work I have seen here.So for now thats all but I hope to post many questions and maybe a few answers in the future.Thanks ,Chris
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Posted by apprentice68 on Wednesday, July 4, 2007 4:53 AM
Hello again.Chris here.After viewing the excellent work by intruder-bass on the dish model sight, I have a question.Intruder-bass, I noticed on the build pics that you had what looks like some brass screens for the particle seperator/dust filters on your Mustang six.I have the Big Ed set on order by Eduard which includes all the photo etch  sets needed for the UH-1C, but from my research ,I don't think the screens I am referring to are in any of the Eduard sets, and I was wondering where to get them?Thanks, and as on any of my posts, all opinions, advice and knowledge are welcomed by any and all who wish to share .  Chris
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Posted by apprentice68 on Wednesday, July 4, 2007 4:58 AM
Sorry guys, its me again(Chris).i dont mean to take up all the space on the forum ,just excited to be here!To all, where can I find the 1/35 Seminar UH-1B  kit that I have heard reference to on this site and a few others?  OK, iam really done this time, thanks in advance to all.   Chris
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Posted by intruder_bass on Wednesday, July 4, 2007 7:24 AM

Chris, welcome to the forum! The mesh screen I used is from Aber. Basicly its just a 10 by 6 inch mesh screen. Almost evry PE manufacturer has meshes listed. Very handy stuff (not only for Huey)

 Andy

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Posted by Chief Snake on Wednesday, July 4, 2007 8:03 AM

The Seminar UH-1B is also produced under the Hap Dong label. Ebay or model show aftermarket is the only place you'll find those. You can also look for the UH-1C boxing by the same companies, it is the same model with a different tail piece and the tropical filter included in the kit. They are available, I have 5 of them...

 

Chief Snake 

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Posted by rotorwash on Wednesday, July 4, 2007 9:00 AM

Chief,

  Do yu have 5 UH-1C's by Seminar/Hap Dong or 5 Uh-1B/Uh-1C kits total?  What do you think of them?

      Ray

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Posted by apprentice68 on Wednesday, July 4, 2007 4:34 PM

Hey guys,

Thanks for the welcome and to Andy and Chief Snake,1st to Andy, phenominal work on your UH-1C.I have had all 3 versions of the mrc UH-1C. 1 was almost complete,when i decided I was unhappy with the interior and decided to try and redo it after it was installed.Big mistake!1 is awaiting assembly and the latest is the heavy hog which I found at the Hobby Lobby chain.I have found that it is overpriced there but about every other week they have a coupon for 40% off any 1 item which makes it very affordable.On the Aber screen, what size mesh is it?I have dreamed for several years about super detailing the uh-1c similar to yours and now I have the inspiration to at least give it a try.To Chief Snake if you ever wish to sell one or come across one listed for sale please let me know.I will keep my eye on e-bay.When the Eduard sets come in and I get started, i will post some WIP photos. As work progresses I am sure I will have many more questions and I really want to thank you for the help.Thanks guys.

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Posted by Chief Snake on Thursday, July 5, 2007 8:58 AM

I have 5 total, 3 B's and 2 C's. This kit is the original MRC effort but when they discovered it was a B ( thanks to Cobra Company) they refused the work and went with another mold engineering company. While not on par with the UH-1C that is so nice, it has enough going for it that you can make a decent UH-1B. I have built two of them, one backdated to an UH-1A of the UTTCO and another done to B spec's as an early 57th Med Det aircraft. The vertical fin is a bit clunky but can be fixed, and the seats/ interior is not all that great but can be worked with. The miniguns are a nightmare, I never would use them especially since other alternatives are available. The Cobra Company backdate set contains the fixes, but contains things you wouldn't need too. The UH-1C just has extra frets with the tropical filters and a different vertical fin that is also a bit clunky, The available MRC UH-1C beats it hands down so it's only useful as a B model. All the orginal parts are in the C boxing. They did include different decals- one a duplicate of the MRC's 114th AHC aircraft and the other a gunship of the 57th AHC. Since they do not surface often and there was enough demand for a B model, Cobra Company did the backdate for the MRC C model.

 

Chief Snake 

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Posted by Chief Snake on Thursday, July 5, 2007 9:22 AM

I just did a google search for the Seminar kit and found a hobby shop in Switzeralnd that has them for $13.75 USD. www.aumodelisme.com The website date is 4/25/07.

 

Chief Snake 

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Posted by apprentice68 on Saturday, July 7, 2007 12:46 AM

Thanks Chief Snake.I am undecided yet if I will try to order one from the Swiss site or not.While I am waiting on the Eduard detail sets to come in for my MRC Heavy Hog, I am going to work on the old Monogram 1/24th scale UH-1B, and try and scratch build the correct seats for the UH-1B in 24th scale.Wouldn't happen to have any pics of the early UH-1b seats would ya?

 Chris

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Posted by Chief Snake on Saturday, July 7, 2007 9:10 AM

I believe I do have the IPB illustration, I'll check today.

 

Chief Snake 

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