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114th AHC Research
Posted by apprentice68 on Monday, July 30, 2007 11:04 PM

Hello all,

Chris here again.First to all who looked at my Heavy Hog construction begins post,I apologize for not posting the promised pics of my work so far.I decided at the last minute to constuct the UH-1C as the Hog version with mini guns and rockets instead of the heavy hog version.I have the mini guns from a previous UH-1C/academy kit some may remember the "Muskets" version.The trouble is I would like to do the minigun version from the 114th AHC Cobra II "SEXY SNAKE".Does anyone have pics showing the markings for this machine?I think I can create some of the markings from the decals included in the Heavy Hog kit by resizing the cobra artwork ,but I need tail numbers and other markings.I will update with pics on my construction progress but I have been at a standstill trying to research this particuliar Hog.Thank you all.Chris

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Posted by rotorwash on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:10 AM

Chris,

  Here's the pics I can find of Sexy Snake, but they are fairly low res.  Note, by the way, that she is an early Charlie model and does not have the particle screens over the air intake.  Thankfully, MRC gives you both options.:

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Here's a nice shot of the Cobra nose art:

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Here are a few shots of other 114th ships that might help as well:

Cobra I (UH-1B). these must be 65-66 because the rocket pods look like LAU23's not M157's.  This bird has the M16 armamant system with quad 60's:

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Cobra gunner:

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Gunner's office:

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I hope that helps.  Ray 

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Posted by apprentice68 on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 5:51 AM
Ray, you are the man when it comes to all things Huey!I had seen most of the pics at the 114th  website,although there are a few I hadn't seen.I really need a good shot of all the markings and then MAYBE I might be able to try my hand at duplicating the markings in 1/35.I should be able to enlarge one of the smaller cobras from the kit decals for the nose art,just need tail number,any tail boom markings and reproduce the "Sexy Snake " on the doorS.I really wanted to do the hog with mini- guns and rockets but was gonna settle for the Heavy Hog with M-5 and rockets when I got the idea to make "Sexy Snake".I dont know how good it will be,but gonna give it a try!Thanks for all your help and keep in touch .I will continue my research.Meanwhile I have started work on the cabin.I love this setup.Something about those ammo feed chutes snaking out the cabin to the guns that is just awesome!Dont know when I will have enough done to post some pics but I hope it will be soon.Oh, by the way,1 question. Are those cabin pics with the red bench seat of sexy snake?If so, did she also have the red pilots seats?I believe it is of another ship,but wanted to make sure as I have no color pics of "Sexy Snake's" interior and was wondering about the seat color.Chris
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Posted by rotorwash on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 8:01 AM

Chris,

  Unfortunately the cabin pics are another bird.  I just thought they were representative of the 114th's gun setup and might be of value.  Since Sexy Snake was a Charlie model, it should have came from the factory with armored seats (no red cushions, in other words." Hwever, since it is an early C model, I can't be 100% sure.  Does anyone else know for sure whether every charlie had armored seats?  I also think by that time the cabin seats would have been OD, but I'll have to check on that.

          Ray
 

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Posted by apprentice68 on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 7:23 PM
Hey Ray.Thanks.Your level of knowledge and enthusiasm for the Huey really keeps me inspired and wanting to move forward.Thanks and let me know if you come across any other images.Unless someone comes across some info confiming the seat color,I intend to go with O.D. .Anyone else care to chime in?  Thanks, Chris
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Posted by rotorwash on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 7:48 PM

Chris,

  I did a little digging.  Here is a very early Charlie model from B Battery, 2-20 ARA, 1st Cav Division:

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 Here's the kicker, check out these closeups:

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You can clearly see the armored panels, BUT the seat cushion is RED!!!  So is the bench seat in back.  I have no idea whether this was true of SEXY SNAKE, but it was true of at least one Charlie model.  I hate to confuse the issue, but I try to be thorough.

  Ray
 

  
 

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Posted by apprentice68 on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 8:07 PM
Yeah Ray, I like to be thorough too.Sometimes too thorough!Its gonna take 10 years to finish this build! LOL!As soon as I finish this baby with OD seats,someone will produce a beautiful full color shot of "SEXY SNAKE" with red seats!If anyone reading this knows the answer, please help before I go with the OD seat cushions!Thanks, Chris
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Posted by apprentice68 on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 9:19 PM

Hey Ray and anyone else,

I noticed on the Intruder -Bass build of the UH-1C he chose to paint the pilot seats cushions  red,and those were the armored seats as well and that would be around the same time frame so...Intruder- Bass if your out there maybe you could shed some light on the subject. CHRIS

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Posted by intruder_bass on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 10:05 PM

 no no no that was my little mistake. They are not red. They should have been OD but I was trying to achive that kinda brownish-faded OD color to make cushions differ in shade from the rest of the seat. 

My camera did not help much ether - it has a bad habbit to oversaturate colors in indoor conditions. They dont look that redish on the model

 :-)

 Andy

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Posted by apprentice68 on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 10:34 PM
yeeesssss!!!! Thanks guys!!!   O.D. it is  !Thanks and I hope to add some pics to the erroneous post I started called heavy hog construction begins.  Chris
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Posted by rotorwash on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 10:38 PM

Chris,

  I would go with OD, I just wanted you to have as much info as you could.  Good luck and I lok forward to the pics!

R ay

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Posted by apprentice68 on Wednesday, August 1, 2007 6:19 PM

OK guys,

I have nailed down the seat color issue .Now I just want to try and replicate the markings.I will be able to enlarge one of the cobra decals for the nose art,and also have the white and yellow tail boom triangle marking for the 114th from the kit decals.What I need is a way to replicate the SEXY SNAKE markings on the doors and the tail number.Any help,pics or ideas would be of great help. I have been to the official 114th AHC web site and of course as seen above Ray put up some pics also, but none of the pics show tail number or all the markings clearly.Thanks and all ideas would be welcome. Chris

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Posted by rotorwash on Wednesday, August 1, 2007 6:32 PM

Chris, you may already have this one, but it is the only color pic of sexy snake I could find.  Still small, though. Ray

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Posted by apprentice68 on Wednesday, August 1, 2007 6:55 PM

Thanks Ray.Maybe I can enlarge it a bit and get the tail #.Thanks again, Chris

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Posted by rotorwash on Wednesday, August 1, 2007 7:18 PM

chris,

  My resaerch indicates that Sexy Snake should be UH-1C 66-0511 (00511 in gold book).  List of aircraft on the 114th site lists AC W1 BOLES LE as the AC for 0511.  He is also listed in the photo section as the AC for Sexy Snake.  I also confirmed that 66-0511 was a UH-1C built at the Bell Factory.  I hope that helps.

    Ray

I think this enlargement shows that the tail marking is the Roman Numeral II, which makes since as Sexy Snake was also Cobra II.

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Posted by apprentice68 on Wednesday, August 1, 2007 8:54 PM

Ray, we are getting closer!I didnt know there was a roman numeral 2 on the tail.I

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Posted by apprentice68 on Wednesday, August 1, 2007 8:57 PM
Ray thanks.Looks like our replys crossed in the system.Thanks so much for the info on the tail numbers.Chris
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Posted by rotorwash on Wednesday, August 1, 2007 9:08 PM

Chris,

  Your welcome.  Best of luck with the build!

     Ray

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Posted by rotorwash on Sunday, August 5, 2007 11:18 PM

Chris,

  I found this 114th pic in my collection of photos from the Army Aviation Archives.  it's a Charlie model with the old style air intake over th engine, but that's about all I know.  Not the best quality, but I figure every little bit helps.

  Ray 

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Posted by Steelieuotf on Sunday, December 29, 2013 11:31 PM

My father flew on Cobra II sexy snake - he was a door gunner. That is actually him in the 3rd pic down , the skinny kid with his shirt off. Did this project ever get complete? I've  got quite a number of pictures of his, likely some of the heli.

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