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TOW Huey in 1:48th!
Posted by Cobrahistorian on Friday, September 21, 2007 3:16 AM

Hey all,

Well, I've gone and done it.  All of this talk about the TOW Hueys got me thinking and I figured it wouldn't be too hard to scratchbuild the XM-26 system for the Monogram Huey Hog kit.  (I know, I know, I can hear the snickers already)

So, I started the other day in a moment of weakness.   First thing I did was cut out the engine armor panels from sheet styrene.  Piece of cake, this is gonna be an easy conversion!  Next was the external TOW sighting turret and mount.  Again, piece of cake.  I just laminated some sheet styrene, sanded to shape, and voila!  TOW turret!  I even reshaped the ADF antenna on the roof!  I'm on a roll! 

Of course, I then realized, this is a UH-1B.  It needs a completely different rotor.  Oboy.... so, I cut the blades down, re-sanded the airfoil and boom... two blades!  Of course, the pitch horns are different and are giving me fits, but I think I've got one done.  That was all over the past few days, bringing us to the present.

Unfortunately my camera batteries died tonight.

I actually built the left side TOW mount and pod tonight. We got weathered, so I didn't fly tonight and had a spare three hours to kick around and do nothing. So, I put em to good use working on my Huey.

The mount was a lot easier than I thought it would be. The basic S-curve was just two pieces of sheet styrene bent to shape and softened with liquid cement. Once they were in the proper shape, I laminated them together and sanded them to an airfoil cross section. The end where the pod attaches has a very distinct, beefier cross section to it, so I added two additional pieces of sheet styrene to that section to get the proper thickness. It mounted to the airframe a hell of a lot easier than I figured it would!

The pod itself is just about finished. I decided to build it as a box, rather than as laminated styrene. Its lighter this way and won't pull the mount off of the airframe. I got the basic shape down pretty well, although I think the downward angle on the forward end is a bit much. Because of this, it forced the three tubes into an isosceles triangle instead of an equilateral one (they're just a bit more squooshed together than what they should be). I'm going to get some aluminum tubing at the LHS tomorrow and do the actual tubes and aft ends of the pod.

The rough part was the cradle assembly that attaches to the pod and to the mount. I basically just cut styrene into two wishbone shapes and then glued strips between the two wishbones to make the whole saddle assembly. It is kinda crude, but it works. Needs a little filling on one side, but it looks really good otherwise.

At this point, I've got the following to finish building:

1) Right TOW Pod
2) Right TOW Mount
3) Associated wire and hydraulic lines for both pods
4) TOW gunner's sighting system (parts that are in the cabin)
5) Toilet bowl exhaust
6) Rotor head

I'll be stealing the Toilet Bowl exhaust and the TOW sighting system from one of my Cobra kits. They'll be modified as needed for an accurate representation. The second pod and mount will be just like the first set. Should be pretty easy. The only real challenge left is finishing that UH-1B rotor head.

After that, it's an overall OD coat, followed by SEA tan and black camo pattern and a beautiful ATTACK HELICOPTER TOW TEAM "Whispering Death" patch on the nose!

I'm not so sure I like the tail rotor, so I may modify it as well, since it has this big donut in the middle of it instead of pitch change links. We'll see....

Jon

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 21, 2007 11:39 AM
WIP pics man...for god sakes PICS!
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Posted by chopperfan on Friday, September 21, 2007 3:35 PM

 Waste Land wrote:
WIP pics man...for god sakes PICS!

I just talked with Jon and he was getting ready to make the rounds of the hobby shops and to get some batteries. Hopefully, when he returns from his foray, he will post some pics. His only complaint was that his camera doesn't do good close ups.

I'm looking forward to seeing some more pics myself. 

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Posted by grandadjohn on Friday, September 21, 2007 9:22 PM
Will wait for picture's
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Posted by Cobrahistorian on Saturday, September 22, 2007 4:04 AM

Sorry guys, I flew a 2 hour flight on the system tonight and I'm beat.  Didn't get batteries, but I did get aluminum tubing, which allowed me to do the TOW tubes. I've got the right side mount done and the structure for the right side pod as well.  Just need to do the cradle assembly and I can mount the second pod.  I'll get batteries tomorrow, I promise.

Jon

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Posted by rotorwash on Saturday, September 22, 2007 7:56 AM

Jon,

  Sounds like yur making some serious progress!  How about using a 1/48 UH-1D rotor rotor and rotor head?  All you would have to do is shorten the blades and add counterweights.  I have several of the Italeri and Esci 1/48 UH-1D kits.  Let me know if your interested.  We could definitely work somehing out.  Good luck with the rest of the cnversion and get some batteries for goodness sake!

      Ray

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Posted by Cobrahistorian on Saturday, September 22, 2007 11:14 AM

You know.... I hadn't even thought of that! 

I think you may be on to something there. I'd hate to ruin a kit, just to steal some parts from it, but if you've got a spare rotor head, I'm definitely interested.

Lemme know!

Jon

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Posted by rotorwash on Saturday, September 22, 2007 4:58 PM

Jon,

  You may not remember, but way back in another post when everyone was taling about accurizing the Huey Hog as a Charlie model, I suggested the B model conversion would be as easy if not more so using the rotorhead frm the Esci or Italeri kits.  Yu are right about wasting a kit, but, then again, the italeri D model isn't exactly a gem if I understand all the reviews correctly.  Also, if you were highly motivated yu could mold the rotors and rotorhead and cast them in resin to replace the ones you stole.  If you want 'em from one of my kits, you got 'em.  It's the least I can do to help with your TOW bird.  Just send me your new address and I'll get a kit in the mail.

     Ray

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Posted by chopperfan on Saturday, September 22, 2007 6:35 PM
 Cobrahistorian wrote:

You know.... I hadn't even thought of that! 

I think you may be on to something there. I'd hate to ruin a kit, just to steal some parts from it, but if you've got a spare rotor head, I'm definitely interested.

Lemme know!

Jon

Jon! Jon! Jon!!! I know you don't want to wait BUT, I believe there is going to be an extra "D" rotor head and blades in our little "deal"!!! Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by Cobrahistorian on Saturday, September 22, 2007 11:13 PM

Randie,

Too cool!  Picked up a DC-6B today.  I'll get the other two kits within the next week or two.

In the meantime, everone, enjoy the pics!

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Posted by rotorwash on Sunday, September 23, 2007 12:15 AM

Jon,

  Looking good, man!  You aren't building your TOW bird in the bathroom are you?  Seriously though, the XM-26 pods look great!

    Ray

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Posted by chopperfan on Sunday, September 23, 2007 8:12 AM
 rotorwash wrote:

Jon,

  Looking good, man!  You aren't building your TOW bird in the bathroom are you?  Seriously though, the XM-26 pods look great!

    Ray

Either that? Or the Army has him put up in the "Sleezy Inn of Tucson"!!! Roaches at no extra charge!!!! Shock [:O]

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Posted by grandadjohn on Sunday, September 23, 2007 10:39 AM
Looks great, Jon
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Posted by Cobrahistorian on Sunday, September 23, 2007 11:43 AM

No, no roaches.... Crickets.  EVERYWHERE.

Unfortunately, the BOQs here don't have very good lighting, so I set up on the sink/dresser counter top and shot pics the best I could.

I'm not 100% happy with the pods.  The mounts came out perfect, but the pods are a little too shallow and possibly too wide.  But then again, this is just a 'killing time' for fun build, so I'm not too worried.  If I were going to reproduce them, I'd definitely want to do them a lot more precisely.

I need to finish the cockpit details.  I've already added the black boxes on the cabin walls, overhead switches and circuit breaker panel and the blanket "curtain" that came down behind the pilots.  Gonna do the air vents on the floor at the front of the cargo doors today and we'll see what else I can cram into there.

Its frustrating because I can't finish it until I have the TOW sight and the toilet bowl exhaust, both of which are at home.  I need to figure out whether I'm going to go with a PE control panel or if I'm going to scratchbuild one.  What do you guys think?

Jon

 

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Posted by rotorwash on Sunday, September 23, 2007 11:56 AM

Jon,

  I think your being a little hard on yourself about the TOW pods.  I am hard pressed to find any faults with them from the pics I have seen.  As for the control panel, who makes a 1/48 PE panel for the B model?  If you have the time, why not give scatchbuilding it a go.  That should occupy you far a little while at least!  Please post more pics soon.  This build is getting interesting!

      Ray

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Posted by Cobrahistorian on Sunday, September 23, 2007 12:24 PM

Ray,

I was gonna use the Eduard UH-1D PE set.  It has a panel on there that is accurate enough for this build.  Thanks for the comments on the pods.  If you look at the front of the pod here:

 You can see that all three tubes are equidistant from one another.  My pods are just a tad too shallow to allow that. 

They aren't terrible, and are certainly passable, but if I'm going to really do them right, they need to be more precise.  Then again, I did these with the good old Mark 1 eyeball as my measuring tool, so I'm not too disappointed. 

I think I'm going to scratchbuild the panel.  Just need some time to do it.  I've got a checkride on Tuesday night, so I'm gonna be doing a LOT of studying over the next 2 days!

Jon

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Posted by rotorwash on Sunday, September 23, 2007 2:33 PM

Jon,

  Best of luck on your checkride, but you know building Hueys beats studying any day of the week!  please let us knwo hoe the scratchbuilt panel comes out.  So do I undertsand correctly that you have your rotor head problem solved?

      Ray
 

     

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Posted by Cobrahistorian on Sunday, September 23, 2007 3:10 PM

Certainly sounds it!  Randie and I have a massive trade in the works, so it looks like that rotor head will be included!  Thanks Randie!

Thanks for the good luck wishes on my checkride. I've been having some issues flying front seat at night under the system.  I like the back seat and the PNVS a lot better.  Flying with a TADS picture is...umm.... difficult.

Jon

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Posted by Cobrahistorian on Wednesday, October 3, 2007 11:42 PM

Hey guys,

Not much of an update.  Been studying for my HGST exam tomorrow.  Should be a piece of cake, I just need to get my Hellfire ranges and modes down. 

I did do some work on the bird today.  Finished the control panel and installed it. I'm pretty happy with it as a first effort on a scratchbuilt panel.  I probably should have detailed the back of it, but no matter.  

I also added the windscreen tonight.  This is gonna be a royal pain in the butt.  It doesn't fit.  The lower seam does, but the doors are angled in too much so they can meet the nose.  I'm frustrated, but I think I can get it to work. 

Next step will be the door windows.  Not looking forward to this either.  The clear parts on this (other than the chin bubbles) aren't great.  I plan on having the windows lowered though, so I'll be able to modify the parts to fit.

The TOW sight and toilet bowl exhaust will be added on Saturday when I get home.  Once the sight is in place, I'll close up the cabin, putty the crap out of it, sand a little and start masking for paint! 

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Posted by rotorwash on Thursday, October 4, 2007 12:04 AM

Jon,

  Looking good!  For some reason, though the background is in focus, but not your bird.  Nice pic of the scotch tape package, though! :)   Do your refs show the red bench seat in the TOW birds?  That's something I have never been able to tell from the pics I have.  Keep up the good work and knock 'em dead on the hellfire test!

    Ray

PS: This thread has now been added to the Huey Links page. 

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Posted by Cobrahistorian on Thursday, October 4, 2007 12:49 AM

Sweet! Thanks for adding it!

I'm not sure about the seats and I'm not up on my computer right now, so I don't have access to my photo files.  I am assuming (probably bad, but this is a fun build, not an accuracy build) that they were installed, simply because 553 has them now.  Of course, using that logic, it wouldn't have flown with armored seats in Vietnam then, and we clearly know that it did. 

For some reason, the camera focused on somewhere other than where the lens was pointed.  I'm not sure why, but it looked really clear in the screen when I auto-focused it. 

I'm hoping to get this finished up by the weekend!

Jon

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Posted by rotorwash on Thursday, October 4, 2007 1:04 AM

Jon,

  I read you loud and clear!  Let's keep having fun a not worry about seat arrangements.  She's looking great and I can't wait to see her finished.  

    Ray

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Posted by Cobrahistorian on Saturday, October 6, 2007 10:55 PM

Ok, I'm back home.

The Huey and my F-106 sustained minor damage en route, but everything's been repaired.  I added the toilet bowl exhaust tonight too.  It took some minor re-shaping, but it is in place and looks good.  Now I'm working on the TOW sight.  I robbed the one out of a Monogram Cobra.  It take some adapting, but fits well.  Once the sight is in place, I'll re-attach the windscreen, close up the roof and then add the door windows and the rotors. 

Then its just a matter of paint and getting the decals finished and she'll be done!

Jon
 

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Posted by chopperfan on Sunday, October 7, 2007 3:17 PM
Great to see you made it home, Jon.
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Posted by SSgtD6152 on Thursday, October 11, 2007 8:59 PM
Looking good man.
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Posted by Cobrahistorian on Sunday, October 14, 2007 10:13 PM

A BIG thanks to Chris!  With a little help from him I've been able to cobble together a pretty good representation of the TOW optical sight.  Since I'm headed back to work tomorrow, I may not have time to paint it until later in the week, but it'll be done soon, I promise.  Should be able to get some pics later this week too.

Jon 

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Posted by privateer17 on Tuesday, October 16, 2007 2:27 PM
I must say Jon that it looks just like the one at Mother Rucker.  Looks like your Mk I eyball is still in calibration.  I look forward to seeing the finished product.
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Posted by 2/20 Bluemax on Monday, December 17, 2007 10:07 PM

Hi everyone, this is my first post on the forum, so please bear with me. This post is a little late for this thread, but decided to go ahead, anyway. Cobrahistorian you have me pumped up to do a little known TOW version used on Hueys in Vietnam. It's called the Maxwell System, Designed and developed by Robert Maxwell, CWO, US Army. I Worked with him when I was with the HQ Battery, 2/20 ARA, 1st Cav.  The System was comprised of half an XM3 2.75 FFAR subsystem (that is two rows of tubes) with an SS-11 launcher attached to the side of the tube housing, and then braced. This was used on both sides of the huey. DUH! It was pretty neat. The line batteries would remove the XM3 system and hang a complete SS-11 system, comprised of two missles on each side of the huey. I certainly hope your TOWS are more reliable than ours were. It seems like half the time the batteries were dead/defective and when you fired the missle it went anywhere but where you wanted it to go.

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Posted by Cobrahistorian on Monday, December 17, 2007 10:46 PM

Jim,

Welcome aboard! We definitely need to sit down and talk!  I'm very interested in hearing how the Maxwell system worked in combat.  I've spoken at length to Ed Gilmour who tested the SS-11 system at the Test Board and he had nothing good to say about the missile.  

Glad to see another Maxer on here.  Although I'm not from the unit personally, it has a special place in my heart.  

Ray, can you post that pic of the Blue Max bird with the Maxwell system on it?  I can't get to my external hard drive right now and it isn't on this computer.

Again, Welcome, Jim!  There are some incredible people on here, you're in good company!

Jon

 

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Posted by 2/20 Bluemax on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 10:08 AM

Thanks for the welcome Cobrahistorian. My first post and I already have egg on my face. After posting last night I decided to find out if there was any info on the net about the Maxwell system. I found out that: a. there were 18 tubes of 2.75 on each side and b. the SS-11 (M22) system had 3 missiles on each side. Oh well. Now all I have to do is find out more info on the M22 system-length and diameter of the missile, launch rail details, etc.

Jim 

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