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Posted by Aaronw on Monday, June 30, 2008 5:39 PM
 cyeargin wrote:

Aaron,

Sorry for the late reply but I just stumbled across this thread. For the USCG 1950's era H-34's (HUS-1G) in the overall yellow-orange scheme Model Master's Chrome Yellow (FS-13538) is right on the money. And having been around the 1:1 scale HH-60's and HH-65's serving in the USCGR I agree that the red on the 60's is a different shade than is used on the 65's.

Chuck Y.

 

Thanks, I only had B&W and some old color photos that don't look 100% reliable (those old color photos tend to shift color some).

I have MM Chrome Yellow I'll compare it to the school bus yellow used. I hope it's close since I already painted the fuselage but at least I haven't done any assembly yet so I can fix it if needed.

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Posted by cyeargin on Friday, June 27, 2008 4:39 PM

Aaron,

Sorry for the late reply but I just stumbled across this thread. For the USCG 1950's era H-34's (HUS-1G) in the overall yellow-orange scheme Model Master's Chrome Yellow (FS-13538) is right on the money. And having been around the 1:1 scale HH-60's and HH-65's serving in the USCGR I agree that the red on the 60's is a different shade than is used on the 65's.

Chuck Y.

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Posted by Aaronw on Saturday, March 22, 2008 7:21 PM

Thanks, that is a great website and the other info is quite useful as well. Your explaination makes a lot of sense, the 50-60's does seem to have a lot of variation so it makes sense that they were experimenting with various colors and schemes for visibility and agency identity.

 

It looks like I might be fairly safe using a school bus yellow for the overall yellow aircraft.

 

The only downside to your post is that site just gave me ideas for a bunch more projects. Dead [xx(] Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by thunder1 on Saturday, March 22, 2008 5:45 PM

Aaron

 The USCG had a variety of paint schemes for their fixed and rotary wing aircraft during the 1950's and 1960's.  The reason(s) for the different paint schemes was: the desire to standardize a "Service ID paint scheme" different from the other armed services; the attempt to experiment and create high visability paint schemes; and the need to make the paint maintenance simple for the ground crews. As for helo paint schemes of the 1950's...in the post WWII period the helos were painted silver dope over all with some yellow safety markings, usually at the rear rotor. Some helos were equipped with floats and these were painted silver. In 1953 the CG painted it's helos a orange yellow over all with black lettering, but some were still left in the siver paint. In the late 50's-early 1960's the CG began painting the helicopters gloss white with red orange(almost day-glo orange) markings on the nose and tail. Around 1962 the helo's were painted gloss white but a gloss red orange(vermillion) and in the shape of an arrow on the nose. This became the standard color for helos but when the Coast Guard left the Treasury department  to become part of the Transportation department(1967) the familiar CG "Slash" became part of ships, stations, vehicles, and aircraft. In painting USCG aircraft, 1967 is the deviding line for paint schemes, please keep that in mind. There were a few examples of the helos(and aircraft) painted gloss white with chrome yellow markings instead of day-glo orange markings. Keep in mind these were "one-offs" used to judge the effectiveness of hi-viz paint by ground observers. And some of the helos in the white scheme didn't have the black stripe border around the red orange paint that made it seperate from the white. 

 I recall watching the movie "Niagara" (starring Marylon Monroe) and a USCG HO4S-2G, painted yellow overall, appears in the film rescuing a person about to go over the falls. 

Starting in the early 1980's the CG began to paint their copters red orange for ice breaker deployment, it's a lot easier to spot a helo in all that white snow and ice! The "Dolphin" helo was originally painted in gloss white with CG red trim but in the early 1990's they were painted the current gloss red orange we see today. Another thing to keep in mind is that the Service experimented with different "red orange" paint tones in the 60's. Also the color film and the type of lighting effected the color of the photos of the helos in that time period.

The red on the HH-60 Jayhawk appears more "red" than the "red orange" on the HH-65A Dolphins, I'm not sure if the paint code is the same. Perhaps the white on the HH-60 gives the illusion the "red" is redder.

For furthur info try uscgaviationhistory.aoptero.org/history02.html    also Google the USCG home page, scroll down to the CG historian's page and check out the color photos of the HO4S-2g, as well as other CG aircraft. Good luck in your project.

Regards

 Mike Maynard(USCG RET.)

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US Coast Guard questions
Posted by Aaronw on Saturday, March 22, 2008 3:35 PM

Thanks to Revell's H-65 kit I got the USCG bug, I was almost over it until Helo53's post caused a relapse. 

I know this is brought up from time to time, but I'm looking for some older colors. Thanks to one of the members here I was able to get the Revell H19A kit with the Coast Guard markings, however in the painting instructions it says to use a color "fiery red" but no brand is indicated. I have the MM Coast Guard red and orange but the red looks way to red, and the orange to orange. International orange looks about right, but I'm not sure.

Second question is the paint scheme on the box art shows a red/orange and white scheme, but after searching the web, it looks like that was introduced in 1960-61, prior to this an overall yellow / orange scheme was used. I'm going to paint this one in the red/orange & white scheme because it looks good and the decals are set up for that scheme, but I was thinking about getting an Italeri HO4S kit (same kit as far as I can tell just re-boxed by Italeri with different decals) to do in the older scheme. Also looking at some others from the 50's that would be in the overall yellow / orange.

Any suggestions for the color on the 1950's USCG helicopters?

Finally any suggestions for a 1/72 scale Sikorsky R-5 or R-6 kit? I know this is probably a resin kit which is ok, but hoping I might get lucky an there is a halfway decent plastic kit or at least a buildable pain in the butt kit vs an unbuildable yell and scream then throw it in the trash kit. Smile [:)]

Thanks

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