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Rafe Morrissey's Mohawk
Posted by richs26 on Friday, February 27, 2009 12:41 AM
I liked Morrissey's Mohawk, but then I noticed one nagging error on the base.  The PSP matting is laid wrong.  It is never laid with the pieces butted up to each other.  The seam has to be broken.  The seam has to be alternated.  This gives it strength and keeps it from raising up and have a rough edge to shred tires and other things.  No AF CE Red Horse or Prime BEEF team, Army engineers, or Navy Sea Bees would have laid it like that.  Take a look at Han's cheapskate PSP matting and see that it is laid correctly.  The AF developed AM-2 matting is laid the same way, but it comes with a certain number of 6 foot pieces to even it out with the 12 foot sections in a bundle. 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, February 27, 2009 8:27 AM

Ya, that kinda jumped out at me too (imagine that)... But, to play devil's advocate (I haven't read the article yet since my April issue hasn't arrived), from the "blurb" in the newsletter (and the number of photos of the 'Hawk "out of scene") it appears the focus was on the Mohawk kit and what he did to update an old kit with resin and scratch-built parts, and not a "Mohawk diorama" as such but rather a "detailed display base".... It's typical of a kit builder who's more interested in the models, rather than tellin' a story or showing viewers what the aircraft or vehicle does, but wants to go a step farther than putting it on a varnished plaque and stickin' a mirror under it (I hate that, btw.  Dunno why, but it drives me nuts)... 

Since aircraft on the ground are really only "doing" one of two things (getting serviced or being a wreck), it doesn't meet my personal criteria for being a diorama, since the figure is likely there for adding a sense of scale, and little else is going on... In the dio WIP you mentioned, "Feeding the Cat", the PSP is part of the story (showing the primitive conditions underwhich ground crews worked servicing tactical aircraft in the Korea War), as is the avgas hand pump, and the number of fuel drums, ammo cans, and oil cans represent the "appetite" of the F7F Tigercat... Every part of a diorama is a supporting factor in the scene, but it's not important to the display builder... It would have "flown" (pun intended) in the "1/72nd Aircraft" category, but would have "bombed" (again, intended) in the "Diorama" category...

But, you are correct indeed... The PSP isn't laid down correctly at all, and would tear hell outta the tires, as well as skate all over the place... Another case of not doing one's homework..

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Posted by MIflyer on Friday, February 27, 2009 9:39 AM

Hans, any chance of a photo illustrating the correct placement? I've got a PSP display in mind for the future, wouldn't want to muck it up.

Kevin

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, February 27, 2009 10:58 AM
 MIflyer wrote:

Hans, any chance of a photo illustrating the correct placement? I've got a PSP display in mind for the future, wouldn't want to muck it up.

Kevin

Here's a quick & dirty sketch.. There ARE photos on the net that show the Marston Matting lined up like on Rafe's base, but usually only done in revetted hardstands for helicopters, and utilize cut-off six-foot sections along with the 12-footers to "tidy-up" the edges of the courses, which didn't happen until well-after the base was established, and never on runways/taxiways... THe ends were left as is...  The stuff is laid down like bricks, with each course six feet off-center of the previous one, running tangental to the direction of the runway/taxiway...

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, February 27, 2009 11:05 AM

Here's a photo of the Cat on the PSP:

And how I made it here:

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Posted by MIflyer on Friday, February 27, 2009 11:21 AM
 Hans von Hammer wrote:

The stuff is laid down like bricks, with each course six feet off-center of the previous one, running tangental to the direction of the runway/taxiway...

Okay, so the direction of the PSP would be offset a fair amount from the direction of the taxiway, to minimize potential damage to aircraft tires from ragged edges. Have I got that right?

 

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Posted by richs26 on Friday, February 27, 2009 11:27 AM

Hans,

the PSP has a width of 15 inches and a length of 10 feet.  AM-2 matting has a sectional length of 6 and 12 foot pieces and a width of 2 feet.  Just keeping you honest.  Would you happen to know of a source for AM-2 in several different scales?  Your Tiger looks great.  Is it almost finished?

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Posted by squeakie on Friday, February 27, 2009 12:50 PM

 richs26 wrote:
I liked Morrissey's Mohawk, but then I noticed one nagging error on the base.  The PSP matting is laid wrong.  It is never laid with the pieces butted up to each other.  The seam has to be broken.  The seam has to be alternated.  This gives it strength and keeps it from raising up and have a rough edge to shred tires and other things.  No AF CE Red Horse or Prime BEEF team, Army engineers, or Navy Sea Bees would have laid it like that.  Take a look at Han's cheapskate PSP matting and see that it is laid correctly.  The AF developed AM-2 matting is laid the same way, but it comes with a certain number of 6 foot pieces to even it out with the 12 foot sections in a bundle. 

first of all that's the wrong kind of PSP for that era! They used a completely different style that was smooth on top (maybe bottom too I can't remember). Used a similar interlocking system, and was painted a battleship grey. Still I never saw PSP on the ground anywhere, but it might have been in the very early sixties. Airstrips were usually concrete or gravel. But the old style PSP was often used as extra armor here and there.

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Posted by richs26 on Friday, February 27, 2009 1:12 PM

PSP was used by the AF in Nam at the same time as AM-2.  AM-2 was approved in 1965 for use by the AF.  Go to the AF Museum website and look at pictures of Major Bernie Fisher's A-1E.  It is plainly sitting on PSP.  I checked as I was looking for pictures of AF use of AM-2. 

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Posted by squeakie on Friday, February 27, 2009 1:55 PM
 richs26 wrote:

PSP was used by the AF in Nam at the same time as AM-2.  AM-2 was approved in 1965 for use by the AF.  Go to the AF Museum website and look at pictures of Major Bernie Fisher's A-1E.  It is plainly sitting on PSP.  I checked as I was looking for pictures of AF use of AM-2. 

better dig deeper in that subject matter. I went thru a lot of airstrips (both improved and unimproved), and never saw one piece of PSP in use. It (PSP) might have been used for a very short while in the early sixties, but when they started building airstrips they went with concrete or gravel. And even then the PSP used was much different that the WWII stuff (we used to get it by the skid loads). As I said it was the smooth grey painted stuff (might have been aluminum).

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Posted by richs26 on Friday, February 27, 2009 3:03 PM
Well, the AF says that Bernie Fisher landed on a PSP runway at A Shau March 10, 1966, and gave him an MOH.  The AF Museum has a photo of his A-1E on PSP.  The AF could be wrong?  The AF went to AM-2 matting of which I have laid alot of it.

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Posted by squeakie on Saturday, February 28, 2009 1:19 AM

 richs26 wrote:
Well, the AF says that Bernie Fisher landed on a PSP runway at A Shau March 10, 1966, and gave him an MOH.  The AF Museum has a photo of his A-1E on PSP.  The AF could be wrong?  The AF went to AM-2 matting of which I have laid alot of it.

well I'm gonna be the first person here to call the Air Force on the carpet on this monster! I'd love to have seen 100 feet of room to land a Skyraider in the Ashau Valley. Maybe inside a big redball after about two days work with a chain saw and a bull dozer. Everything that went into the Ashau Valley went by chopper or by foot. There were no real flat places around that place, and even if there were one the chances of getting a plane of anykind out of there in one piece would have been slim and none. As I said in another post the Ashau Valley was Hades in spades. There was exactly one base camp ever setup in that place, and it lasted about one week at best with nearly everybody KIA (A102). Everything that went in there was equaled if not tripled by the NVA. Not a good place to plan a short visit. Just ask anybody with an eagle patch.

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Saturday, February 28, 2009 8:34 AM

Here's MAJ Fisher's MOH Citation, Gary... Take it for what it's worth, but I'd say that an airstrip existed...

For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty. On that date, the Special Forces camp at A Shau was under attack by 2,000 North Vietnamese Army regulars. Hostile troops had positioned themselves between the airstrip and the camp. Other hostile troops had surrounded the camp and were continuously raking it with automatic weapons fire from the surrounding hills. The tops of the 1,500-foot hills were obscured by an 800 foot ceiling, limiting aircraft maneuverability and forcing pilots to operate within range of hostile gun positions, which often were able to fire down on the attacking aircraft. During the battle, Maj. Fisher observed a fellow airman crash land on the battle-torn airstrip. In the belief that the downed pilot was seriously injured and in imminent danger of capture, Maj. Fisher announced his intention to land on the airstrip to effect a rescue. Although aware of the extreme danger and likely failure of such an attempt, he elected to continue. Directing his own air cover, he landed his aircraft and taxied almost the full length of the runway, which was littered with battle debris and parts of an exploded aircraft. While effecting a successful rescue of the downed pilot, heavy ground fire was observed, with 19 bullets striking his aircraft. In the face of the withering ground fire, he applied power and gained enough speed to lift-off at the overrun of the airstrip. Maj. Fisher's profound concern for his fellow airman, and at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty are in the highest traditions of the U.S. Air Force and reflect great credit upon himself and the Armed Forces of his country.

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Saturday, February 28, 2009 8:40 AM

Here's the mission radio transcript, also, FWIT..

FISHER: He's about 20 feet.

LUCAS: Understand he's 20 feet?

FISHER: Roger.

LUCAS: Which way you gonna land?

FISHER: I'm gonna make a 180 degrees, come in to the southeast.

LUCAS: OK. Well, then, we'll come up behind you and strafe paralled to your heading with you.

FISHER: OK, I'm rolling in now.

Unknown: Make it slow or you'll lose it.

LUCAS: I'm right behind you, Bernie. I took a hit in my pitot system, and I'm smoking a little.

HAGUE: OK, I'm right back at your six o'clock, Luke.

LUCAS: OK. Ahh, do you see any smoke?

HAGUE: Negative. It looks pretty good.

LUCAS: OK, my air speed's gone to hell, and my hydraulic pressure's fluctuating.

HAGUE: All right. You want me to stay with you?

LUCAS: OK, Bernie, you gonna land out of this one?

Unknown: Skosh

Unknown: (garbled) in trail ???

Fighter: Five-Two, Oxford 81, over.

FAC: Oxford 81, Birddog 52?

Fighter: Roger, we're headed your position for time on target of 1240. We're ten minutes late. We have eight 500 GPs retarded and 20 mike-mike.

FAC: All right, Sir, hold on high and dry. At the present time we have A-1H's working underneath. There's an aircraft down there at the present time and we're trying to get the pilot out.

Unknown: (garbled) all aircraft

Fighter: This is (Call sign) 07-1. We're still orbiting up here at 20,000.

FAC: Roger, hold high and dry for now, Sir.

Fighter: Roger.

Fighter: Ahh five one, this is Congo 56 with eight napes and eight bombs and 20 mike mike.

FAC: Roger, stand by. The weather underneath is not too good for napalm at the present time.

Fighter: Roger.

HAGUE: :Bullshit

Unknown: (Call sign) Bird Dog 52.

LUCAS: OK, Paco, you in trail with us now?

LUCAS: Hobo 51, Hobo 03.

Unknown: Zero three, uh, Shoeseller 03. ???

LUCAS: Roger, go ahead, Jim.

GUNTER: Roger, which kind of help do you need? We're about three miles up the valley.

LUCAS: OK, Jim, do you read me?

GUNTER: Roger

LUCAS: OK, Babe, come on down the valley. As you come down the valley you run over that airstrip, pick up a heading of one five zero. And as you run down, you can run the napalm right down the east side of the runway.

GUNTER: Understand. 150 down the east side of the runway. OK, got that. Pete?

HOUK (Jims Wingman): Roger Dodger, Jim.

LUCAS: You'll see quite a bit of smoke.

GUNTER: OK, I see an aircraft down there to the left. Who's that? You?

LUCAS: No, I'm coming down the east side of the runway now. Why don't you come down one time and look it over.

Fighter: OK, this is Hobo 21, we're up here Luke.

Birddog 52: Hobo 21, Bird Dog 52.

FAC: Roger 52, we're orbiting the airfield to the North at 6000 feet.

LUCAS: OK, let's hit everything Denny, except the Fort.

HAGUE: Roger, I gotcha....I'm winchester (out of ammo).

LUCAS: OK, so am I. Let's keep making pases though. Maybe they don't know it.

HAGUE: Roger.

LUCAS: OK, Jim, the area's smoking pretty badly, and you'll see an airacraft burning on the runway. Bernie's taking off to the north.

GUNTER: OK, understand to the north. OK, I can see him. Is he rolling now?

HAGUE: Roger - Roger.

LUCAS: OK, get the east side Denny.

HAGUE: Roger - Roger, Babe.

GUNTER: OK, where do you want those trenches strafed, Jon?

LUCAS: OK, you got us in sight? We're breaking off. I'm coming left.

GUNTER: OK, Where you want the strafe here? Right on the east end of the runway?

LUCAS: Yeah, put it all down the east side of the runway, in the grass area. Put a couple of bursts in there and then get hold of Barry.

GUNTER: OK. Get a hold of who?

LUCAS: Correction, it'll be Hound Dog 23 if he's still up.

GUNTER: OK, right here, we'll be going right in now.

LUCAS: OK, all the gun fire is over here on the East side in these trees.

GUNTER: OK, Luke, you got a chopper comin' in up here to the north. Uh, he may be able to get the pilot out.

LUCAS: We already got him out.

GUNTER: Roger

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Posted by squeakie on Saturday, February 28, 2009 2:17 PM
 Hans von Hammer wrote:

Here's MAJ Fisher's MOH Citation, Gary... Take it for what it's worth, but I'd say that an airstrip existed...

For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty. On that date, the Special Forces camp at A Shau was under attack by 2,000 North Vietnamese Army regulars. Hostile troops had positioned themselves between the airstrip and the camp. Other hostile troops had surrounded the camp and were continuously raking it with automatic weapons fire from the surrounding hills. The tops of the 1,500-foot hills were obscured by an 800 foot ceiling, limiting aircraft maneuverability and forcing pilots to operate within range of hostile gun positions, which often were able to fire down on the attacking aircraft. During the battle, Maj. Fisher observed a fellow airman crash land on the battle-torn airstrip. In the belief that the downed pilot was seriously injured and in imminent danger of capture, Maj. Fisher announced his intention to land on the airstrip to effect a rescue. Although aware of the extreme danger and likely failure of such an attempt, he elected to continue. Directing his own air cover, he landed his aircraft and taxied almost the full length of the runway, which was littered with battle debris and parts of an exploded aircraft. While effecting a successful rescue of the downed pilot, heavy ground fire was observed, with 19 bullets striking his aircraft. In the face of the withering ground fire, he applied power and gained enough speed to lift-off at the overrun of the airstrip. Maj. Fisher's profound concern for his fellow airman, and at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty are in the highest traditions of the U.S. Air Force and reflect great credit upon himself and the Armed Forces of his country.

 

trust me you ain't gonna land any plane whatsoever in the Ashau Valley. A chopper maybe, but no plane. There was only one base ever built in Ashau, and it was the unit I was attached to. It was built on a mountain side. I'm not taking anything away from Maj. Fisher, but call me a doubting thomas. He might have picked up somebody that had walked outta there (I really would doubt that as well). Reading his citation I also noticed the note of 2,000 NVA in there. Try over 10,000 on a bad day, and often over 15,000 troops.

    By the way that was A102 refered to in the citation. It was there for about a week (give or take two or three days). There were two guys (if memory is correct) that got outta there alive. Half are still MIA, but also are known to have been KIA. After a refit the camp was then moved south to Thien Phouc, and had about 700 Montagnard strikers attached to it in one form or another. Thien Phouc ended up being the main Mike Force staging area for the southern half of I-Corps. In their CQ they had a memorial to those guys at Ashau, so I do know something about A102. Lastly most data is compiled under the name Thien Phouc for both camps and also under "A102." It's out there so take a good look.

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Sunday, March 1, 2009 1:19 AM

Hey, if you say there's no place to build an airstrip in the A Shau valley Gary, that's good enough for me...  Hell, I only grew up as an Air Force Brat (whose dad was a fighter pilot from 1942 to 1971) and then spent 30 years in the Army and never met anyone that was flying the A Shau in 1966...

 

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Posted by squeakie on Sunday, March 1, 2009 1:43 AM
 Hans von Hammer wrote:

Hey, if you say there's no place to build an airstrip in the A Shau valley Gary, that's good enough for me...  Hell, I only grew up as an Air Force Brat (whose dad was a fighter pilot from 1942 to 1971) and then spent 30 years in the Army and never met anyone that was flying the A Shau in 1966...

 

I never wanted to take the post as far as it went, but A102 is very, very close to home with me. And thus a touchy subject (even after upteen years). Last time I heard there was just one guy alive from that group, and he was a tough nut to crack. Also (now I maybe dead wrong on this) I think that one of the other guys there won the CMH somewhere else.

   Another point here is that no one ever made a serious presence into the Ashau Valley till the first combat assualt done by a battallion from the 101st (might have been a re-enforced heavy company). The camp setup by the SF guys was more or less a recon affair at the time as the place was always a suspected NVA staging area. This is why I often wondered if the guy that wrote the book 13th Valley had been in there. It should also be noted that in the after action reports the question was asked as to why nobody had been in there before the 101st did their first search & destroy mission.

    When you did an "excursion into the Valley Of Death" you earned your CIB in short order. If the fellow actually did make a landing in there then he should have been awarded the CIB along with the CMH. Virtually all airstrikes there flew out of Da Nang, but there were a few rolling in outta Phu Bai when things were tight. To be exact I've heard of Navy flights (actually Marine)being diverted from north of the DMZ to pull someone's rear outta the fire down there.

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Posted by HeavyArty on Sunday, March 1, 2009 9:35 AM

If the fellow actually did make a landing in there then he should have been awarded the CIB along with the CMH.
 

Because he was in the USAF, not the US Army and was not authorized a CIB. 

I know you are passionate about Vietnam and I honor your service.  I just find it a little hard to believe that the USAF would totally fabricate a story to award a CMoH, with doctored pictures and all at the USAF Museum.  It is a pretty stringent process with multiple witness statements and varification to be awarded the CMoH.  Maybe you never saw an airstrip there, but I am inclined to believe the CMoH citation and that there was one, however small it may have been.

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Posted by squeakie on Sunday, March 1, 2009 10:52 PM
 HeavyArty wrote:

If the fellow actually did make a landing in there then he should have been awarded the CIB along with the CMH.
 

Because he was in the USAF, not the US Army and was not authorized a CIB. 

I know you are passionate about Vietnam and I honor your service.  I just find it a little hard to believe that the USAF would totally fabricate a story to award a CMoH, with doctored pictures and all at the USAF Museum.  It is a pretty stringent process with multiple witness statements and varification to be awarded the CMoH.  Maybe you never saw an airstrip there, but I am inclined to believe the CMoH citation and that there was one, however small it may have been.

I never said that he didn't deserve a CMH, but I said he didn't put anykind of an airplane down in the Ashau Valley. I still think the clerk that wrote it up got it wrong.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 1, 2009 11:56 PM

A picture is worth a thousand words...unless the clerk also doctored these pics as well:

Vietnam War Congressional Medal of Honor Recipient

Major Bernard Francis Fisher, USAF

If Bernie Fisher went into the airstrip at A Shau, his chances of coming out again would not be good.

Into the Valley of Fire

By John T. Correll

The US Special Forces had es-tablished their camp in 1964 at the lower end of the A Shau Valley in Vietnam. It was some two miles from Laos and was a constant problem for the North Vietnamese.

From this camp, the Green Berets could observe and impede traffic on the Ho Chi Minh Trail on the other side of the border. They were also astride the infiltration route toward Hue and Da Nang.

Vietnam War Congressional Medal of Honor Recipient Major Bernard Francis Fisher, USAF. Into the Valley of Fire By John T. Correll
Maj. Bernard Fisher, top, fresh from flying interceptors Stateside, strapped on an A-1E Spad (below) in Vietnam.

In February 1966, the North Vietnamese Army decided to put the camp out of business and moved a fresh regiment down the trail to join the 325th NVA Division, which was already operating in the vicinity of Hue.

The Special Forces camp was in a remote corner of the Central Highlands and extraordinarily reliant on airpower.

Material to build the camp had been flown in by Air Force C-123s. Everything, including food and ammunition, came by air. The valley lay beyond the range of US artillery, so its only real defense was air support.

Vietnam War Congressional Medal of Honor Recipient Major Bernard Francis Fisher, USAF. Into the Valley of Fire By John T. Correll

The camp consisted of some barracks buildings, a triangular fort, and an airstrip made of pierced steel planking. The fort had a mortar bunker at each corner. The walls consisted of steel plate and sandbags. The airstrip was east of the camp, just outside the barbed wire perimeter.

The A Shau Valley was six miles long and one mile wide. Hills rose up on both sides, ascending 1,500 feet above the valley floor. The valley was called the tube by the pilots who had to fly there.

Mountain peaks in that part of the highlands reached an elevation of 7,000 feet. The ocean was only 30 miles to the east, and the mountain valleys were often hidden by clouds and low-lying fog. The North Vietnamese were counting on such cloud cover to limit air support.

The NVA Attacks

On March 5, two NVA defectors walked into the camp at A Shau and warned that an attack was coming on March 11 or 12. They said the 325th Division was about seven kilometers east of the valley. US aircraft promptly struck that location.

On March 7, Air Force C-123s brought in reinforcements, increasing the strength of the camp to 17 Green Berets and 368 South Vietnamese irregulars and Chinese Nung mercenaries.

The attack came sooner than expected. About 2 a.m. on March 9, enemy bombardment began, emanating from the surrounding hills. Mortars, artillery, and rocket-propelled grenades pounded the camp, killing two Americans and wounding 30. The barrage set the buildings and the supply dump afire.

The artillery barrage stopped at dawn. Some 2,000 NVA regulars were situated to take the fort unless air support drove them away. Until the clouds liftedthey were hanging as low as 200 feet in placesair strikes were not feasible.

The NVA force prepared to rush the fort, but visibility was improving. At 11:20 a.m., with the cloud ceiling at 400 feet, an Air Force AC-47 gunship got through the clouds and flew up the valley at treetop level, strafing the attackers.

Vietnam War Congressional Medal of Honor Recipient Major Bernard Francis Fisher, USAF. Into the Valley of Fire By John T. Correll
At right, Fisher is shown with his friend, Maj. Dafford Jump Myers. A daring, no-hope rescue of Myers led to Fishers receiving the Medal of Honor.

On the gunships second pass, it was hit hard by ground fire. The right engine was torn from its mounts. Seconds later, the other engine was knocked out, too. The bullet-riddled AC-47 crash-landed on a mountain slope, five miles farther up the valley.

With the gunship gone, two A-1Es from Pleiku were diverted from other targets and sent to the aid of the fort at A Shau.

Fisher and the Spads

Leading the A-1E flight was Air Force Maj. Bernard F. Fisher, a 39-year-old fighter pilot from Kuna, Idaho. Fisher had flown jet aircraft in Air Defense Command before coming to Vietnam, and, when he buckled into the propeller-driven A-1E, he still wore his helmet with the silhouette of an F-104 painted on the side.

There werent many jets in Vietnam in the early part of the war, so Fisher had volunteered to fly the A-1E, which was in use both by the South Vietnamese Air Force and by US Air Commandos. Fisher was initially sent to Bien Hoa, where he trained South Vietnamese pilots to fly combat in the A-1E. He then transferred to the 1st Air Commando Squadron at Pleiku.

Fisher, a devout Mormon, did not drink, smoke, or use strong language, but, as a later description of him said, he was held in high esteem in a squadron of men who did all three. He had been in the Air Force for 15 years.

The single-engine A-1E Skyraidercalled the Spad in Vietnamwas undeniably an old airplane, but it was well-suited to a number of missions. It was adapted from the Douglas AD-5 dive fighter-bomber that the Navy had flown in World War II and Korea. It mounted four 20 mm machine guns and carried an assortment of bombs and rockets. Cruising speed was 240 mph, but it had exceptional endurance and could stay airborne for six to eight hours. It could fly for long periods of time at low altitude, making it ideal for counterinsurgency and close air support.

There was also an A-1H, Sandy, a single-seat version of the airplane, which flew escort for search and rescue missions.

The A-1E Spads had two seats, side by side. There was enough space to fit 10 persons in the aft part of the cabin, which was called the blue room because of the color tint on the canopy.

Silver Star Mission

Diverted to A Shau after the gunship crashed on March 9, Fisher and his wingman, Bruce Wallace, found the mountains blanketed by clouds. Upon arrival, Fisher began probing to find the canyon in which the camp lay.

On his third attempt, he emerged from the overcast and barely missed colliding with a helicopter that had just come from A Shau with wounded aboard. The helicopter pilot directed Fisher toward a saddle in the mountains, where he found an opening in the clouds about five miles northwest of the camp. He and Wallace went through the hole and flew down the valley at very low level. The enemy AAA was intense.

A C-130 airborne command post told Fisher to destroy the AC-47 before the NVA captured the three 7.62 mm Gatling guns, which could fire 6,000 rounds per minute and which were still in working order. Fisher assigned that task to Wallacewho dropped six bombs on the wreckage and obliterated itwhile Fisher went to the direct assistance of the fort.

Vietnam War Congressional Medal of Honor Recipient Major Bernard Francis Fisher, USAF. Into the Valley of Fire By John T. Correll
Adapted from the Navys World War II-era Douglas AD-5, the unglamorous A-1E was ideal for use in Vietnam. The Spad could carry lots of weapons, could stay aloft for hours, and even had room for passengers.

For the next several hours, Fisher and Wallace collected arriving aircraft above the clouds and led them down into the valley. Fisher guided a CH-3C helicopter that came to evacuate the badly wounded. He also led A-1Es in a strike to break up a force that was massing to attack the fort.

Fisher went up again to bring down two Air Force C-123s. The mountains were tight on all sides, and forward visibility was less than half a mile. They began taking fire seven miles north of the camp. Fisher suppressed the ground fire as the transports air-dropped supplies for the fort from an altitude of 50 feet.

Low on fuel, Fisher went through the clouds one more time to help a forward air controller lead two B-57 bombers down the valley. In all, Fisher spent about two hours under the clouds. He made an emergency landing at Da Nang, 20 minutes away, with almost no fuel left in his tank.

Allied aircraft flew 29 sorties in support of the fort on March 9. Of these, the Air Force flew 17, the Marine Corps 10, and the South Vietnamese Air Force two.

Fisher would be awarded the Silver Star for his role as on-scene commander on March 9, and Wallace would receive the Distinguished Flying Cross. However, Fisher had not yet seen the last of the A Shau Valley.

The Second Day

On March 10, the attack resumed at 2 a.m. The NVA shelled the camp relentlessly, and, shortly before 4 a.m., it launched an assault on the southern side. Before daylight, the attack broke through the barbed wire perimeter and breached the south wall. The defenders were pushed into the northern part of the fort, and the NVA dug in between the airstrip and the camp.

Two C-123s and an AC-47 dropped flares throughout the night. Radar bombing of enemy positions by Marine Corps A-4s began just after 5 a.m. Fire support was continuous from Air Force and Marine aircraft.

About 11 a.m., the defenders reported that they could hold out for no more than another hour and that airdrops to resupply them with ammunition should stop, since they could not retrieve the bundles.

Vietnam War Congressional Medal of Honor Recipient Major Bernard Francis Fisher, USAF. Into the Valley of Fire By John T. Correll
Officially called the Skyraider, the A-1 was used for low-level strikes against concealed targets and for close air support of ground units. It was the airplane of choice to keep the enemy at bay during rescues of downed airmen.

Bernie Fisher and his wingman that day, Capt. Francisco Paco Vazquez, were en route to provide air support to Army forces near Kontum when they got an emergency radio call to divert to A Shau. Fishers call sign was Hobo 51, and Vazquez was Hobo 52.

By 11:15, Hobo flight had joined numerous other aircraft that were stacked and circling at 8,000 feet and higher above the valley. They had not yet gone to the aid of the fort because of the danger of running into mountain peaks hidden by the cloud cover.

One of the other A-1 flights in the stack was led by Maj. Dafford W. Jump Myers from the 602nd Fighter Squadron at Qui Nhon. Myers was Surf 41, and his wingman, Capt. Hubert King, was Surf 42.

Myers was an old friend. Fisher had known him back in Air Defense Command. He had been nicknamed Jump when he was a soda jerk in high school. Myers was a hard-bitten chain-smoker who once made his living running a billiard parlor.

Myers suggested that there might be an opening to the west. Fisher went to see, found a hole, and called on Myers and King to follow him and Vazquez into the valley.

Fisher told the other A-1 flight to stay in orbit above the clouds. There was not enough room in the valley for six airplanes to operate, so Capt. Jon T. Luke Lucas (Hobo 27) and Capt. Dennis B. Hague (Hobo 28) continued to circle.

Fisher, Vazquez, Myers, and King flew down the valley in trail formation. It was too tight to go in side by side.

The cloud ceiling in the valley was at 800 feetbetter than the previous daybut the visibility also helped the enemy gunners, who were shooting down on the aircraft from the 1,500-foot hillsides.

Myers Down

The defenders had fallen back into a bunker at the northwest corner of the fort. The NVA was making a ground attack, so the A-1s flew three strafing runs, which killed between 300 and 500 of the attackers.

On the first run, Kings aircraft was hit in the cockpit canopy, shattering the plexiglass. He had to break off and go to the nearest base, which was Da Nang. On the second pass, Myers airplane was hit by shells of a heavy caliber. His engine conked out and the cockpit filled with smoke. At 400 feet, he was too low to use a parachute.

Ive been hit and hit hard, Myers radioed.

Vietnam War Congressional Medal of Honor Recipient Major Bernard Francis Fisher, USAF. Into the Valley of Fire By John T. Correll
An AC-47 gunship tried to help the beleaguered Green Berets hold out against the North Vietnamese attack on their firebase. Flying at treetop level, the Spooky met its end. Rescue of its crew was a story unto itself.

Youre on fire and burning clear back past your tail, Fisher replied.

Rog, Myers said. Ill have to put her down on the strip.

Myers cockpit was filled with smoke. He couldnt see, so Fisher talked him down. At the same time, Fisher laid down suppressive fire in front of Myers and gave battle instructions to the other aircraft.

Myers was going too fast to land on the short runway, so he would have to belly slide in. He jettisoned his bombs and retracted his landing gear, but his attempt to release the center line fuel tank failed. The fuel tank exploded on contact with ground.

Surf 41 skidded about 800 feet, trailing fire, then veered off the runway on the west side and exploded. Incredibly, Myers survived. Fisher saw him clamber out of the airplane and run to a ditch between the airstrip and the fort, where he was screened by a clump of weeds.

Fisher called in Hague and Lucas. Hague: It was like flying inside Yankee Stadium with the people in the bleachers firing at you with machine guns, Hague said.

Vazquez, meanwhile, was operating with a dead radio.

The A-1s put down saturated fire, driving back the NVA troops who were trying to get to Myers. The Green Berets later said the attack wiped out a company of the North Vietnamese and took pressure off the fort.

The Crashed Gunship

The first aircraft coming to the rescue of the camp on March 9 was an AC-47 gunship. It made one firing pass down the valley at treetop level, then came around for a second pass. This time, the anti-aircraft gunners were primed and knocked out both of the aircrafts engines.

The pilot, Capt. Willard M. Collins, was able to crash-land on a mountain slope five miles up the valley. The aircraft was intact, and it slid down to the base of the slope. Among the crew of six, the only one injured seriously was one of the gunners, SSgt. R.E. Foster, whose legs were broken.

Moving to a better defensive position would have meant leaving Foster behind, so Collins and the co-pilot, 1st Lt. Delbert R. Peterson, organized a defense at the crash site. They repulsed the first NVA attack, but Collins and Foster were killed in the second attack. That left four people to defend a 360-degree perimeter.

As the NVA gathered to rush them again, a rescue helicopter approached. A .50-caliber machine gun was firing from the undergrowth. Peterson, now in command, knew that it was likely to shoot down the helicopter.

Armed with an M-16 carbine and a .38-caliber handgun, Peterson charged the machine gun, which fell silent as the helicopter dropped down to pick up the other three crewmen. Under intense ground fire, the helicopter pulled away.

Collins and Peterson were posthumously awarded the Air Force Cross.

Fisher Goes In

As the A-1Es continued their strikes, Fisher called for a rescue helicopter. Ten minutes later, the command post said the helicopter was at least 20 minutes out. Fisher figured that this was probably a guess. Anyway, it wouldnt be much longer before the NVA closed in on Myers and killed him.

Fisher thought about going to get Myers. The runway looked short. He called the command post and asked the length. It was 3,500 feet, he was told. That would be long enough.

Even in the best of conditions, however, it was almost suicidal to land an aircraft as large and slow as the A-1E while exposed to direct enemy fire, Fisher said in his 2004 book, Beyond the Call of Duty (co-authored by Jerry Borrowman). A helicopter crew can fire their weapons from the side doors to hold the enemy at bay while executing a rescue, but Id be defenseless while sitting on the ground.

It made no logical sense, but I felt a strong impression that I should do this. Jump was one of the familyone of the fellows we flew withand I couldnt stand by and watch him get murdered without at least trying to rescue him.

Im going in, Fisher radioed.

The odds of coming out again were not good. He would be landing in a crossfire from 20 anti-aircraft gun positions that lined the valley. The enemy also had hundreds of automatic weapons. The runway was a major hazard. The pierced steel planking was slick, and shards of ittorn by the mortars and bombswere sticking up and could rip airplane tires to shreds. The runway was cratered and littered with shell casings, pieces of Myers aircraft, barrels, pieces of tin and metal, and other debris.

Vietnam War Congressional Medal of Honor Recipient Major Bernard Francis Fisher, USAF. Into the Valley of Fire By John T. Correll
Myers was forced to land his crippled ship on the strip near the Green Berets triangular firebase. The metal-plate airfield was torn up by mortar fire and pocked with craters.

Fisher counted on the other A-1s to provide him fire support. He approached the airstrip from the north, which would give him the advantage of landing into the wind, helping him to slow down. Unfortunately, the wind was also blowing thick smoke from fires ignited by the bombs and napalm in his direction, obscuring his vision. When he broke out of the smoke, he saw that he was over the runway but too far along it to stop the airplane in the distance remaining. As he passed by at low level, he caught a glimpse of Myers.

He powered up, holding the aircraft a few feet above the ground to avoid ground fire, made an S-turn, and approached the runway from the opposite direction of his first attempt.

The other three A-1s continued to strafe to cover Fisher as he went in. Vazquez went winchester (out of ammo) on the first pass. After three more passes, the others ran out of ammunition, too.

Im winchester, Hague declared.

So am I, said Lucas. Lets keep making passes, though. Maybe they dont know it.
Fisher touched down at the very end of the field, stood on the brakes, and skidded down the runway. His brakes began fading from heat at 2,000 feet.

Vietnam War Congressional Medal of Honor Recipient Major Bernard Francis Fisher, USAF. Into the Valley of Fire By John T. Correll
Fisher had to steer around chunks of Myers A-1.

The second landing attempt was successful although violent braking and rudder action was not always successful in avoiding debris on the battle-torn runway, Lt. Gen. Joseph H. Moore, 2nd Air Division commander, said in nominating Fisher for the Medal of Honor. Major Fisher utilized all his flying skill to miss mortar craters, shell casings, and pieces of the A-1E which now littered the runway as a result of the fuel tank explosion.

Also, Fisher had been told wrong about the length of the runway. It was 2,500 feet, not 3,500. It was too short for an A-1 under any circumstances.

He overran the runway onto some grass and crossed a small embankment, which slowed him down a little. As he swung the aircraft around, he slid into a fuel storage area. His wings passed over the tops of some 55-gallon drums, although he hit several of them with the tail of the airplane.

Two Beady Eyes

Fisher taxied 1,800 feet back along the runway in full view of the enemy. He saw Myers waving his arms as he passed by. It took Fisher about 100 feet to stop. He couldnt see Myers, who was running behind the airplane, off to the right side, with bullets following him along. Myers later said it was the fastest dash an old man of 46 ever made. Fisher expected Myers to climb into the cockpit momentarily. When he didnt, Fisher figured Myers must have been hit. He unbuckled and set the brake to go looking for him.

As Fisher climbed out on the right side of the airplane, he saw two little red beady eyes trying to crawl up the back of the wing. It was Myers, his clothes burned and muddy and his eyes reddened by smoke.

Fisher had left the engine running fairly fast, ready for a quick getaway, and the airflow from the big four-bladed propeller was blowing Myers back as he tried to reach the cockpit. Fisher cut power to idle, risking a stall. As bullets continued to strike the aircraft, he pulled Myers into the cockpit head first.

Myers first words were: You dumb son of a female dog, now neither of us will get out of here. He drank some water from Fishers canteen and asked for a cigarette. Fisher did not have any.

As Fisher pulled Myers aboard, Lucaswho had taken a severe hit in his hydraulic systemled Hague and Vazquez in a dry pass over the camp. The three Spads went hurtling by at low level. It was enough to hold the NVA back momentarily.

Turning his aircraft around, Major Fisher saw that he had less than two-thirds of an already too short airstrip ahead of him, Moore said in the Medal of Honor write-up. Calling on all his skill, he applied power and worked his way through wreckage and debris, gaining enough speed to lift off at the overrun. Flying just above the ground at insufficient airspeed to climb, he gradually built up speed, still under intense hostile fire, and began a climb into the 800-foot overcast above the valley.

Vietnam War Congressional Medal of Honor Recipient Major Bernard Francis Fisher, USAF. Into the Valley of Fire By John T. Correll
As Fishers Spad idled, he pulled Myers into the cockpit head first. Myers berated Fisher for a foolhardy rescue attempt that neither of them would likely survive. The rescue A-1 is now at the Air Force Museum in Dayton, Ohio. (Photo via Martin Winter)

According to one report, the defenders in the fort cheered as Fishers A-1 roared down the strip and rose into the air.

Fisher and Myers flew to Pleiku, where the medics met them at the flight line. Myers was not badly hurt, although he was singed and covered in soot and smelled awful, according to Fisher.

Fishers airplane had 19 holes in it. There were 23 in Vazquezs.

Fate of the Fort

The Special Forces camp in the A Shau Valley fell to the NVA late that afternoon. Air strikes suppressed the attack long enough for rescue helicopters to pick up survivors.

The Green Berets took 100 percent casualties: five killed, 12 wounded. Only 172 of the South Vietnamese irregulars and Chinese mercenaries were evacuated, although many of the others turned up later.

I only wish we could have done more to help them, Fisher said.

The NVA paid a heavy price for its victory. It lost 500 troops to air strikes and another 300 to ground fire.

In all, 201 air strikes were flown in support of the fort on March 10. Of these, 103 were by the Marine Corps, 67 by the Air Force, 19 by the Navy, and 12 by the South Vietnamese Air Force. Including Myers A-1E and the gunship, six Air Force, Navy, and Marine Corps aircraft were shot down in the effort.

As 7th Air Force Historian Kenneth Sams said in his report, without airpower, there would have been no survivors. One of the Special Forces defenders, Capt. Tennis Carter, said, Without the air support you provided, we wouldnt have lasted one day.

It was two years before allied forces retook the valley. The NVA established its own camp at A Shau, ringed the valley with anti-aircraft batteries and used it as a staging area and a supply dump. In January 1968, the Tet attacks on the northern provinces were launched from A Shau.

Medal of Honor

Myers wanted to buy Fisher a years worth of whiskey, but Fisher didnt even drink coffee. Instead, Myers gave him a Nikon camera engraved, A Shau, March 10, 1966.

Fisher was awarded the Medal of Honor, the first airman in the Vietnam War to receive it. It was presented by President Johnson at the White House, Jan. 19, 1967. His wife, Realla, and their five sons were present for the ceremony.

Vietnam War Congressional Medal of Honor Recipient Major Bernard Francis Fisher, USAF. Into the Valley of Fire By John T. Correll
From left to right: A-1 pilots Myers, Fisher, Capts. Jon Lucas, Dennis Hague (looking at paper), and Francisco Vazquez, who helped buy the Green Berets time to escape A Shau, relax after the battle. All survived the war.

Myers and Lucas were awarded the Silver Star. Hague and Vazquez received the Distinguished Flying Cross.

The aircraft Fisher flew in the A Shau Valley later crashed and burned at Pleiku as it was returning from a mission. However, it was recovered and restored. In 1967, it was flown by none other than Jump Myers from California to the Air Force Museum in Dayton, Ohio, where it can be seen today.

Bernie Fisher stayed in the Air Force, retiring as a colonel in 1974. Myers died in 1992, but Fisher kept in touch with the others. At a presentation in the Pentagon honoring Fisher in 1999, the attendees included Paco Vazquez, Denny Hague, and Luke Lucas, as well as Gene Deatrick, who was commander of the 1st Air Commando Squadron at Pleiku.

Interest in the mission continues. Fisher is called upon often to tell the story. Over the years, he has made about 500 speeches.

After retirement, he went back to Idaho and became a farmer, raising seed corn, sugar beets, wheat, and alfalfa. He still lives on the farm, but rents most of it out to another farmer. John T. Correll was editor in chief of Air Force Magazine for 18 years and is now a contributing editor. His most recent article, The Vietnam Almanac, appeared in the September issue.

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Posted by HeavyArty on Wednesday, March 4, 2009 1:57 AM
Hmmm.  I'm pretty convinced there was an airstip there.

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