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Suggestions please. Diorama mock-up (Advances made)

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Posted by Electric Blues on Tuesday, October 27, 2009 9:43 PM
 Hans von Hammer wrote:

Just so ya know, the tracks, when they're getting changed, get laid out flat and the tank is towed up onto it until the the drive sprocket can engage it, then we'd use the tank's drive train to pull the track the rest of the way up over the top of the road wheels, using the tanker bar to lift the end over the next wheel, then keeping tension on it with the track jacks to link up the connectors... It takes a ot of room to do it, BTW... There is an easier way to do it, using the vehicle's power, but ya didn't wanna let the BMO or Motor Sergeant see ya doing it.. 

Rather than changing out an entire track, you might want to consider just having the crew changing a link or two, or changing out a roadwheel or two(which happens way more often). 

Thank you Colonel. That's sound like the way to go with this.

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Tuesday, October 27, 2009 8:31 PM

Just so ya know, the tracks, when they're getting changed, get laid out flat and the tank is towed up onto it until the the drive sprocket can engage it, then we'd use the tank's drive train to pull the track the rest of the way up over the top of the road wheels, using the tanker bar to lift the end over the next wheel, then keeping tension on it with the track jacks to link up the connectors... It takes a ot of room to do it, BTW... There is an easier way to do it, using the vehicle's power, but ya didn't wanna let the BMO or Motor Sergeant see ya doing it.. 

Rather than changing out an entire track, you might want to consider just having the crew changing a link or two, or changing out a roadwheel or two(which happens way more often). 

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Posted by Electric Blues on Saturday, October 24, 2009 4:45 PM

I decided on this lower bulding instead of the two story house I had originaly planned on.

It's a Miniart kit and a pretty shoddy one at that. Molded in thin plastic with no "fit" whatsoever. With some work and paint though, it turned out alright. There are a few issues on it but they will be covered by folliage, dust, dirt and rubble I'll add once I place it on the base.

As always, all your comments and suggestions are welcome.

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Posted by Electric Blues on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:05 PM

Thanks Deafpanzer!

I have that exact same field tool kit and will be using it in the dio. I had planned that the Kubelwagen would be getting repaired as well and that might add to the field "garage" look. However, I can see where that may make the whole thing too busy. It may be best just to focus on the thread reapair.

 deafpanzer wrote:

It sounds like a fun project!  I have to agree with the guys... I am seeing alot of things going on with the proposed diorama.  If you want to focus on the tank repair and its crew, then I would remove the Kubelwagen.  The Kubelwagen may be blocking the view if you keep it there.  And replace it with related stuff such as a shop table or equipment.  You can easily get the repair/shop kit... I got mine from Italeri thru eBay.  Hope this helps... good luck!  And just have fun too!

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Posted by deafpanzer on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 2:35 PM

It sounds like a fun project!  I have to agree with the guys... I am seeing alot of things going on with the proposed diorama.  If you want to focus on the tank repair and its crew, then I would remove the Kubelwagen.  The Kubelwagen may be blocking the view if you keep it there.  And replace it with related stuff such as a shop table or equipment.  You can easily get the repair/shop kit... I got mine from Italeri thru eBay.  Hope this helps... good luck!  And just have fun too!

Andy

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Posted by bbrowniii on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 2:20 PM
 Electric Blues wrote:

Gentlemen's clubs... what are those? Big Smile [:D]

I'm really not sure... I think I read about one... once... in a book.... or sumthin'.....Blush [:I]

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by Electric Blues on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 2:09 PM
 bbrowniii wrote:

Ooo, and another:

http://www.bild.bundesarchiv.de/cross-search/search/_1256148285/?search=detail&search[focus]=59

Sorry, I'm on a bit of a roll!! Big Smile [:D]

Thank you very much Bbrowniii! I can't see the pictures here at work but I'll check them out as soon as I get home today! I'm sure they will be a great help.

 

Gentlemen's clubs... what are those? Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by bbrowniii on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 1:09 PM

I'll tell you what, go to this link:

http://www.bild.bundesarchiv.de/

In the search engine at the top, enter 'Panzer' and for years 1942 - 1945.  On the first couple of pages, you'll see a bunch of repair photos (plus a ton of other great stuff...)

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by bbrowniii on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 1:07 PM

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by bbrowniii on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 1:06 PM

And here is another one, this time doing track repair on an SdKfz:

http://www.bild.bundesarchiv.de/cross-search/search/_1256148285/?search=detail&search[focus]=55

Hope these are helpful...

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by bbrowniii on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 1:03 PM

Electric Blue,

Great screen name.   That's the name of a... ahem, 'gentlemen's' club here in Eastern CT.... Not that I'd know anything about that... Whistling [:-^]

 

But seriously.  Your dio.  If you want the tank track repair to be the focal point, check out this photo of a German Panzer IV crew doing just that near Monte Cassino:

http://www.bild.bundesarchiv.de/cross-search/search/_1256147915/?search=detail&search[focus]=113

There is another pic in my Pz IV book (the 'In Action' series from Squadron) of another crew doing the same thing in the snow in Russia somewhere. 

Hopefully this will give you some ideas of how to make it look 'right'.

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by Electric Blues on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:46 AM

Good advice Vespa. Thank you very much!

 

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Posted by vespa boy on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:15 AM

Something to think about is the story you are trying to tell, and then use the composition to lead your eye around the dio to tell that story in order. At the moment, my eye is lead in a circle, so whatever is in the middle of the circle is the most important thing, like a bullseye. Another way to think about is is in abstract shapes, circles, lines, etc and don't forget the importance of negative space,  and see where your eye moves as you adjust the components. Get this part right and the rest falls together with a little tewaking here and there.

http://public.fotki.com/nkhandekar

This ain't no Mudd Club, or C.B.G.B.,
I ain't got time for that now

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Posted by Electric Blues on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:49 AM

 vespa boy wrote:
The composition at the moment looks like a circle inside a square base. Careful of dead corners. Have some things there that suggest activity beyond the edge.

 

You're right. I'll look into that. I think I did that to avoid empty air and not have it look too spread out but it looks like I compacted it too much.

I know  a lot of a dio's appeal comes from a good composition or layout. That's why I came on here to look for help. This was my first attempt. I'll let it sit a few days while I move pieces around and learn where they have to be and what other parts are needed.

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Posted by vespa boy on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:35 AM
The composition at the moment looks like a circle inside a square base. Careful of dead corners. Have some things there that suggest activity beyond the edge.

http://public.fotki.com/nkhandekar

This ain't no Mudd Club, or C.B.G.B.,
I ain't got time for that now

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Posted by Electric Blues on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:31 AM
 ajlafleche wrote:

AS you have it now, you are setting up the guys playing cards to be the main focal point of this scene. There are multiple straight lines drawing the eye to their location...the front of the Kubelwagen, the edge of the building and the side of thh Pz IV. Is that what you want as the primary focal point? In this lauyout, the track repair kind of gets lost.

On the repair, hopefully some of our tanker guys will chime in, but my gut says you wouldn't work on tracks on the bottom run and you'd probably need some sort of mechanical assist to move the tracks or a whole bunch of guys throwing their sholders into it.

Thanks very much!

So I should possibly make the thread change the focal point of the dio? That sounds good. Would the work on the threads with the break on top?

 

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Posted by ajlafleche on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:36 AM

AS you have it now, you are setting up the guys playing cards to be the main focal point of this scene. There are multiple straight lines drawing the eye to their location...the front of the Kubelwagen, the edge of the building and the side of thh Pz IV. Is that what you want as the primary focal point? In this lauyout, the track repair kind of gets lost.

On the repair, hopefully some of our tanker guys will chime in, but my gut says you wouldn't work on tracks on the bottom run and you'd probably need some sort of mechanical assist to move the tracks or a whole bunch of guys throwing their sholders into it.

 

Remember, if the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy.

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Suggestions please. Diorama mock-up (Advances made)
Posted by Electric Blues on Tuesday, October 20, 2009 11:19 PM

This is my idea for a diorama set in 1940, after the Battle of France. I appreciate any suggestions you might offer. What do you think of the idea and composition.

Tank treads are being repaired

There will be a mechanic and tools behind the Kübelwagen which will be grey

Where the three jerry cans are placed, tank crew will be playing cards.

There will be various things and tools in the little garage side building.

I just placed the wooden sticks there to get an idea of the size of the base I'll need. It'll be about 15 x 15 inches.

Thanks!

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