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Posted by Recon1 on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 11:11 PM
I would like to have a picture of a F6F with a bomb load. Needed for a dio. Don
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Posted by deafpanzer on Thursday, November 5, 2009 7:05 PM

If F6F is a plane, I would suggest you post this in 'Aircraft' forum, I am sure the guys over there can help you.  I know very little except for WW2 planes. 

 

Andy

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Posted by EasyMike on Friday, November 6, 2009 7:04 AM

I tried Google > Images > F6F.  Lots of drop tanks, but no bomb loads.

Smile [:)]

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, November 6, 2009 9:00 AM
They (bombs) were carried on the centerline pylon.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 9, 2009 3:50 PM
A Hellcat Fighter with a bomb...?  I'm betting that was a rare occurance...
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Posted by renarts on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:50 AM
Why? Its what the F6F did. It was a zero killer and was very effective against ground targets because it could carry a heavy payload.
Standard armament on the F6F consisted of six .50 in (12.7 mm) M2 Browning air-cooled machine guns with 400 rpg; later aircraft gained three hardpoints to carry a total bombload in excess of 2,000 lb (900 kg). The center hardpoint also had the ability to carry a single 150 gal (568 l) disposable drop tank. Six 5 in (127 mm) HVARs (High Velocity Aircraft Rocket)could be carried; three under each wing.

The next and most common variant, the F6F-5, carried the standard six .50 in (12.7 mm) machine guns. Trials with cannon-armed Hellcats were not followed up by a production version; although all F6F-5s could carry an armament mix of a pair of 20 mm (.79 in) Hispano cannon, one mounted in each of the inboard gun bays, with a minimum of 220 rpg, along with two pairs of .50 in (12.7 mm) machine guns, with 400 rpg, this configuration was only used on many later F6F-5N night fighters.

The designated armament for the F6F
Guns:
either 6× 0.50 in (12.7 mm) M2 Browning machine guns, with 400 rpg, (All F6F-3, and most F6F-5)
or 2 × 20 mm (.79 in) cannon, with 225 rpg
and 4 × 0.50 in (12.7 mm) Browning machine guns with 400 rpg (F6F-5N only)
Rockets:
6 × 5 in (127 mm) HVARs or
2 × 11¾ in (298 mm) Tiny Tim unguided rockets
Bombs: up to 4,000 lb (1,814 kg) full load, including:
Bombs or Torpedoes:(Fuselage mounted on centreline rack)
1 × 2,000 lb (907 kg) bomb or
1 × Mk.13-3 torpedo;
Underwing bombs: (F6F-5 had two additional weapons racks either side of fuselage on wing centre-section)
2 × 1,000 lb (450 kg) or
4 × 500 lb (227 kg)
8 × 250 lb (110 kg)

In the ground attack role, Hellcats dropped 6,503 tons (5,899 tonnes) of bombs.
Mike "Imagination is the dye that colors our lives" Marcus Aurellius A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:17 PM

 renarts wrote:
Why? Its what the F6F did.

No, it was a fighter. From my knowledge the Hellcat in the ground-support role was a rare occurance and isn't well-documented...TBF's, Corsairs and Helldivers were more suited and/or designed for that role. The Hellcat was designed to counter the Japanese Zero and did it very well...6,503 tons of ordanance may sound like a lot but in reality that is actually a small amount by comparison...just because a plane can carry bombs doesn't make it a good bomber. Virtually all of the fighters in WW2 could carry bombs but that doesn't mean "that's what they did".

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:45 PM
I believe towards the end of the war that the F6F-5 was used in the fighter bomber role during the carrier strikes against Japan. By that point, with a few exceptions, Japanese air opposotion was minimal.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:06 PM
 stikpusher wrote:
I believe towards the end of the war that the F6F-5 was used in the fighter bomber role during the carrier strikes against Japan. By that point, with a few exceptions, Japanese air opposotion was minimal.
I never said it wasn't used in that role, but it was very minimal, as you stated...and it was designed from the table to shoot down zeros, which it did very well...it was not designed as a fighter-bomber...
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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:16 PM
Agreed. Arguably the most successful carrier based fighter ever. Certainly of WWII. It was just a role that evolved for it and the F4U as the Japanese fighter force was destroyed and more bomb tonnage was wanted on target in the closing stages of the war.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by renarts on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 6:28 PM

No, it was a fighter.


Yes it was a fighter, and it carried bombs and used them. Since part of the design aspect facilitated the carrying of ordnance against ground targets and used them in both theatres of operations, and carried out missions specifically for that purpose, I'd say the statement of "its what they did" applies here. Though in your estimate 6503 tons of munitions may not seem like alot and may apply as a "rare occurance". It can work out roughly to 6503 missions carrying the maximum of 2000 pounds of munitons each sortie. The F6F flew 66,530 sorties. Making attacks against ground targets 9.7% of that. Almost 10% is a respectful contribution. No. Its not a bomber, but it dropped bombs and rockets making it "what it did". Because it did. You'll find several references to the F6F-5 as a fighter and a fighter/bomber. As well as a night fighter.

Virtually all of the fighters in WW2 could carry bombs but that doesn't mean "that's what they did".

what? they carried them to look cool? Wink [;)]


The B26 wasn't a torpedo bomber, but 4 of them carrying mark 13 torpedoes made a run against the Japanese fleet at Midway. To catastrophic results. They did it. Now that was a rare occurance.

Recon1, et al,

http://ww2photo.mimerswell.com/air/us/grumm/f6f.htm
The above link has photos of f6f's with various load outs. Including a torpedoe

http://www.wwiivehicles.com/usa/aircraft/fighter/grumman-f6f-hellcat-photos.asp
Various photos. One of a flight crew prepping 500lb bombs in the midst of a squadron of f6f's on the hangar deck.

A quick perusal through google images using Grumman f6f hellcat gave up several images of f6f's carrying ordnance as well as great photos color and black and white showing markings and paint schemes. Some ground based, most carrier.

http://www.missingaircrew.com/yap/yapmissions.asp

If you go to this site, you can find mission info on sorties against Yap island. This includes several documents of F6F's and their action reports. Click on the links and it will take you to photographs and facsimilies in pdf format as well as html format of actual navy documents showing the load out documents, what munitions were carried, the maintenance records of the aircraft, pilot info etc. Mission results, AAR's and more. Good stuff.
Mike "Imagination is the dye that colors our lives" Marcus Aurellius A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 7:36 PM
 renarts wrote:

No, it was a fighter.


Yes it was a fighter, and it carried bombs and used them. Since part of the design aspect facilitated the carrying of ordnance against ground targets and used them in both theatres of operations, and carried out missions specifically for that purpose, I'd say the statement of "its what they did" applies here. Though in your estimate 6503 tons of munitions may not seem like alot and may apply as a "rare occurance". It can work out roughly to 6503 missions carrying the maximum of 2000 pounds of munitons each sortie. The F6F flew 66,530 sorties. Making attacks against ground targets 9.7% of that. Almost 10% is a respectful contribution. No. Its not a bomber, but it dropped bombs and rockets making it "what it did". Because it did. You'll find several references to the F6F-5 as a fighter and a fighter/bomber. As well as a night fighter.

Virtually all of the fighters in WW2 could carry bombs but that doesn't mean "that's what they did".

what? they carried them to look cool? Wink [;)]


The B26 wasn't a torpedo bomber, but 4 of them carrying mark 13 torpedoes made a run against the Japanese fleet at Midway. To catastrophic results. They did it. Now that was a rare occurance.

Recon1, et al,

http://ww2photo.mimerswell.com/air/us/grumm/f6f.htm
The above link has photos of f6f's with various load outs. Including a torpedoe

http://www.wwiivehicles.com/usa/aircraft/fighter/grumman-f6f-hellcat-photos.asp
Various photos. One of a flight crew prepping 500lb bombs in the midst of a squadron of f6f's on the hangar deck.

A quick perusal through google images using Grumman f6f hellcat gave up several images of f6f's carrying ordnance as well as great photos color and black and white showing markings and paint schemes. Some ground based, most carrier.

http://www.missingaircrew.com/yap/yapmissions.asp

If you go to this site, you can find mission info on sorties against Yap island. This includes several documents of F6F's and their action reports. Click on the links and it will take you to photographs and facsimilies in pdf format as well as html format of actual navy documents showing the load out documents, what munitions were carried, the maintenance records of the aircraft, pilot info etc. Mission results, AAR's and more. Good stuff.

Yeah, and several SBD's shot down Zeros but they were still dive bombers and were designed to drop bombs...the Hellcat was a fighter...dogfighting was what "it did" for a living...The Germans also slung bombs under Bf109s every once in awhile, but the 109 was a fighter as well...Wink [;)]

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