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France 1940 diorama update (New photos added)

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France 1940 diorama update (New photos added)
Posted by Electric Blues on Friday, May 7, 2010 8:03 PM

Slow work but it's coming along. I've added my first figure with about 8 more to come. A whole lot of field tools will be added as well.

It's a captured Char Bis in May 1940. The tank is in the process of being painted German Grey at this little makeshift workshop. 

Some of the captured Chars were painted Grey and others just had German marking painted on them. We know that this one, the Bourrasque was captured on the 17th May 1940. My diorama depicts it a few days later.

Yes, that German soldier is taking a leak and yes, you can see the stream. Embarrassed

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Posted by mfsob on Sunday, May 9, 2010 7:04 AM

Looks great so far, I especially like all the little details scattered aroud! The only jarring note to me was the hedgehogs behind the tank, why? They don't seem to serve any purpose and just look odd.

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Posted by Electric Blues on Sunday, May 9, 2010 9:07 AM

Thanks Mfsob.

The HH are there and sandbags will be added as well, to offer the little shop some protection.  I hope the HH look more integrated after that.

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Posted by Bocks Suv on Sunday, May 9, 2010 9:10 AM

I'm cursed with a 1/24 scale weiner too.  

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Posted by detailfreak on Sunday, May 9, 2010 10:33 AM

Hey there Electric Blues,been awhile,was thinking the frustrations of trying to use the new site got to you ,or worse,modelers block! This dio. is looking great.I would like to say that the hh's do look out of place being directly behind the char..Makes one wonder how they managed to pop up after the tank just went over that very spot. Hey friend whatever happened to your Nashorn dio. . Did I miss it's completion or what? Keep up the great work ok! Send more pics...Yes

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Posted by Electric Blues on Sunday, May 9, 2010 12:40 PM

Thanks Detailfreak!

I see what you and Mfsob are saying about the HHs and I'll be changing their position when I hit the hobby table in a little while.

This is the Dio I've been working on for months and really haven't had time for much else. Although I am trying to build a couple of planes simultaneously since I need a break from the Dio every now and then!

 

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Posted by Robh22 on Sunday, May 9, 2010 12:47 PM

WoW! This is fantastic! You have done a GREAT job! Can't wait to see the entire finished project!

 

Rob

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Posted by Electric Blues on Sunday, May 9, 2010 9:22 PM

Thank you.

Here's something I did today. I don't know anything about figures except what I've been able to see in magazines and the Web. So basiclly I'm learning as I go and it's SLOW work. As I think I've mentioned, the dio will be very figure heavy so maybe I'll get good at figures by the time I finish!

A figure takes me an entire day to build and paint. Here's the farmer's wife. She and her husband will be walking away from the workshop after dropping off a few baskets of food for the soldiers.

 

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Posted by Robh22 on Sunday, May 9, 2010 10:21 PM

I'm the same way, learning as I go. I spend A LOT of time reading and studying pictures. I only hope my stuff looks as half as good as yours does. Do you paint your figures under a light with a magnifier? I have one of those lamps and it's a blessing.

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Posted by Electric Blues on Sunday, May 9, 2010 10:26 PM

Robh22

I'm the same way, learning as I go. I spend A LOT of time reading and studying pictures. I only hope my stuff looks as half as good as yours does. Do you paint your figures under a light with a magnifier? I have one of those lamps and it's a blessing.

 

I have one of those but it's not a very good one so most times it's more frustrating than helpful. I usually just go by eye but at 52, my eyesight gets tired after a while.

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Sunday, May 9, 2010 11:00 PM

That guy's pretty dehydrated... Also.. The tank's looking real good in the grass, but the tracks are a bit too pristine after running across the soft ground.... Tearing up the turf like that will leave some dirt & grass in the tracks..

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Posted by Robh22 on Sunday, May 9, 2010 11:29 PM

Quick question, are the tools in the workshop area scratch built? As I'm still very new to the whole military line, what is the car/jeep in the front? I really like that.

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Posted by Electric Blues on Monday, May 10, 2010 6:36 AM

Hans von Hammer

That guy's pretty dehydrated... Also.. The tank's looking real good in the grass, but the tracks are a bit too pristine after running across the soft ground.... Tearing up the turf like that will leave some dirt & grass in the tracks..

Thanks!

Good tip and I'll try to incorporate that.

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Posted by Electric Blues on Monday, May 10, 2010 6:39 AM

Robh22

Quick question, are the tools in the workshop area scratch built? As I'm still very new to the whole military line, what is the car/jeep in the front? I really like that.

 

That's Tamiya's early Kubelwagen. Most of the tools and accesories have also come from Tamiya, the little soldier field kits that come in plastic bags and some from Italeri's field kit.

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Posted by bbrowniii on Monday, May 10, 2010 12:12 PM

EB

I'm going to echo the comments that say 'Nice Job'.  This is really looking good.  It is also an interesting story - I like your idea here.

I'll also echo the comments that say the hedgehogs look out of place so close to the rear of the tank.

This may be an oddball question, but were hedgehogs of that style in use that early in the war?

I'll keep watching this one to see your continued progress!

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by bbrowniii on Monday, May 10, 2010 12:14 PM

One other quick comment:

I really like the little details you've incorporated into this - the poster on the interior wall, the scrap iron (fenders?) behind the shed, by the guy taking a leak.  And, is that a campfire in the third pic, to the left front of the tank?

Really nice all around...

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by Electric Blues on Monday, May 10, 2010 2:41 PM

Due to the overwhelming "success" of the hedgehogs, they are now gone! Embarrassed

Although I've investigated pretty much everything else, I didn't investigate the HH so as you mentioned, maybe they weren't even in use. I'll be replacing them with sandbags and more traditional barbed wire protection.

I think adding all the small detail is very important in a diorama. It's fun watching the viewer slowly discover them and they add to the whole ambiance of the scene. They do take a long, long time to include though.

The tools and mechanics will be the elements that tell the story of what's happening in the scene, especially the figure that will be painting the tank. At first I thought I'd have him using a mop to paint it but it seems they  already had compressors back then and a small workshop like this might have one. I like the idea of mop painting better though.  If I'm not mistaken, field paint came in solid blocks that they would dilute with whatever solvent they had on hand at the time.

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Monday, May 10, 2010 2:44 PM

This may be an oddball question, but were hedgehogs of that style in use that early in the war?

Probably... That design is actually Czech and was in use in 1938 along the Czech border... It's conceivable that they were being made in France in 1940 as they were pretty effective against armor up to 12 tons when emplaced in rows of three..

I didn't investigate the HH so as you mentioned, maybe they weren't even in use.

Whoopsie.. Guess I shoulda been more timely...

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Posted by Robh22 on Monday, May 10, 2010 2:58 PM

Electric Blues

 

 Robh22:

 

Quick question, are the tools in the workshop area scratch built? As I'm still very new to the whole military line, what is the car/jeep in the front? I really like that.

 

 

 

That's Tamiya's early Kubelwagen. Most of the tools and accesories have also come from Tamiya, the little soldier field kits that come in plastic bags and some from Italeri's field kit.

Thanks! That is what really makes a model scene come to life (at least to me) is the small little details like that. When they are added in just the right amount is just perfection. Big Smile

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Posted by Bocks Suv on Monday, May 10, 2010 3:31 PM

Now that you mention it, I'm glad to see those HHs gone.  It just ocurred to me that, aesthically speaking, they were a visual stopper - out of place, angular, cold, and ruined the flow and story of your dio. Maybe have a spray AND a mop for the paint. Don't forget to spill a little on the grass. Or maybe a dog could be running off with a paintbrush. An add'l  table or crates can also hold more of the details you're being applauded for.   

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Posted by *INDY on Tuesday, May 11, 2010 7:55 AM

E.B.

~~this is looking really good ,Buddy. I'm really liking the groundwork---the grasswork is very convincing. Good job on this project-I'm happy to see you sticking with it--only, did you lose track of the old thread? I would have noticed this pop up sooner--oh well...it's done now--part 1 & part 2 threads i guess. I look forward to see'in the rest of the figures--I'm always forced to slow way down when I get to painting mine--no matter how many times I paint a big group of figures I'm reminded of just how much time they take to get right, I have friends that can also get a figure done in a day, for me the average out to more like 3 days a piece I think--of course session times vary and so will your milageZip it!

Look forward to seeing more from you...

"Well...you gunna pull them pistols, or just whistle Dixie?"

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Posted by Electric Blues on Tuesday, May 11, 2010 8:52 PM

Thank you very much Indy! You're right, I should have added this to my old thread. I'll make sure yo keep all updates on this thread from now on.

I really like the figures you've posted but never imagined they took you three days each. I'll try slowing down to see if I can get better results.

 

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Posted by Electric Blues on Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:53 PM

Here are some updates. All the new pieces aren't finished yet and haven't been secured to the base yet.

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Posted by Robh22 on Thursday, May 13, 2010 1:39 AM

That is really a great scene. Very well done. Can't wait to see the finished project. What do you folks do with your dio's once your done with them? I have to find a place to put mine, where my cats won't replay a scene from Godzilla attacking Tokyo.... Huh?

 

In your 2nd picture down, I noticed the windshield on the car..how did you do that effect? It's fantastic.

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Posted by Electric Blues on Thursday, May 13, 2010 6:39 AM

On the windshield, I taped masked the wipers normal cleaning path and lightly sprayed the windshield with matt clear. Once it dried, I removed the mask and sprayed matt clear lightly again.

If you only spray once,  the wiper path is very defined and crystal clear. I didn't want that effect. I wanted it to look as if the windshield wipers had been used at some time in the past but that the windshield had accumulated dust since then. I figured the amount of dust would be less on the wipers path but that there would be dust there anyway.. hope that makes sense. Embarrassed

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Posted by Robh22 on Thursday, May 13, 2010 8:01 AM

Thank you! Big Smile

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Thursday, May 13, 2010 10:58 AM

This piece just keeps getting better... Your civilians are a nice touch... Folks trying to return to some level of normalcy after their homeland being occupied always makes for interesting scenes...  Where did you get 'em?

There are a couple things that I'm curious about/noticed though, and they're really not all that big a deal, just a typical "Hammer-nit" that folks have come to know and hate...

Number 1 & 1A: Are those scratch-built or from a kit? The "wood" paint is exceptional and I'd like to add your technique to my stable of "How-tos" if they're scratched, provided you don't mind me giving it a whirl... Wood-painting has always just eluded me if it isn't really wood, and I'd prefer to use styrene if I can get away with it.

Number 2: Kind of the same thing as the tank tracks... Adding some of the nearby ground color up onto the tires & wheels would help the vehicle "tie-in" to the groundwork ( I do the same thing to the lower parts of boots & shoes as well).  No need to paint though...  I'd just mix up some pastels of the "local dirt-color" and brush it on 'em... Just enough to, like I said, tie it to the groundwork...

Three (not pictured): Just a little technical detail about the Kubelwagen and you can take it or leave it... The license plate is Luftwaffe (WL XXXXX)  and the driver appears to be Heer... If it's an Army (Heer) Kubelwagen, the license would have the "WH" designator (WH xxxxx= Wehrmacht-Heer & WL xxxxx= Wehrmacht Luftwaffe. SS xxxxx is self-explainatory)...  That's not to say that, since it is a field paint-shop, the driver might be doing a "Radar O'Reilly" and about to have the vehicle "reassigned", lol... 

Gonna echo Indy and say that the grass-work is just flat some of the finest I've ever seen, and also say the tree is outstanding.... Is that a scratch-built one? If so, I'd love to read a tute on your tree-making, provided you ever feel like it...

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Posted by Electric Blues on Thursday, May 13, 2010 3:56 PM

Hans von Hammer

This piece just keeps getting better... Your civilians are a nice touch... Folks trying to return to some level of normalcy after their homeland being occupied always makes for interesting scenes...  Where did you get 'em?

Thank you Hammer for taking the time to give me feed back! The farmer and his wife are resin figures... don't know what brand. They are walking away after leaving the soldiers baskets of fresh vegtables and fruit. There's is still a loaf of bread in the woman's basket. I was thinking of substituting it with a German hand grenade she could have stolen while leaving the soldier's food. I'm still thinking about that one. It would be really hard to spot but I'm sure whoever does see will get a laugh,

There are a couple things that I'm curious about/noticed though, and they're really not all that big a deal, just a typical "Hammer-nit" that folks have come to know and hate...

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Number 1 & 1A: Are those scratch-built or from a kit? The "wood" paint is exceptional and I'd like to add your technique to my stable of "How-tos" if they're scratched, provided you don't mind me giving it a whirl... Wood-painting has always just eluded me if it isn't really wood, and I'd prefer to use styrene if I can get away with it.

Both the ladder and work table are from a kit and are styrene. I began by painting them flat tan (Tamiya). Once that was dry, I used a heavy red brown wash made with artist oil paints in a small glass jar.

The paint only suspends in its solvent temporarily and will settle to the bottom of the jar after a while. If I want a light wash... I won't shake the bottle and just use it off the top. If I want a heavier mix... as in this case, I mix it well! I dab it on and let it dry for a while.

Once it starts to dry, I go over it with a clean stiff bristle brush, adding "curves" where they seem to go. I'll let it dry a bit more and go over it with the stiff bristles again until it looks "right" to me. Once it's where I want it, I'll seal it with flat dry lacquer. After the lacquer dries, I make knots and slightly discolored areas with a bit of light black wash that I made just like the red brown I mentioned before. I have that type of wash in blue and green as well. 

Number 2: Kind of the same thing as the tank tracks... Adding some of the nearby ground color up onto the tires & wheels would help the vehicle "tie-in" to the groundwork ( I do the same thing to the lower parts of boots & shoes as well).  No need to paint though...  I'd just mix up some pastels of the "local dirt-color" and brush it on 'em... Just enough to, like I said, tie it to the groundwork...

Thanks for this great tip! I'll add it this weekend and you should see it in my next update photos. Thanks!!!

Three (not pictured): Just a little technical detail about the Kubelwagen and you can take it or leave it... The license plate is Luftwaffe (WL XXXXX)  and the driver appears to be Heer... If it's an Army (Heer) Kubelwagen, the license would have the "WH" designator (WH xxxxx= Wehrmacht-Heer & WL xxxxx= Wehrmacht Luftwaffe. SS xxxxx is self-explainatory)...  That's not to say that, since it is a field paint-shop, the driver might be doing a "Radar O'Reilly" and about to have the vehicle "reassigned", lol... 

Good catch! I think I just used the wrong decal! Let me check the decal sheet and if the other decal is available, I'll change it. If not... I'm just going to muddy the current one a bit more! =)

Gonna echo Indy and say that the grass-work is just flat some of the finest I've ever seen, and also say the tree is outstanding.... Is that a scratch-built one? If so, I'd love to read a tute on your tree-making, provided you ever feel like it...

That tree began as a resin trunk, that I wrapped with strands of electrical wire (peeled extension chord) that I later wrapped in toilet paper and white glue. I spread the limb wires until I reached the height I wanted and until I thought it looked like a tree.

The foliage is the foam rubber type sold by one of the major manufactures (sorry... don't remember which one). I glued it into the tree in different size patches and using different tones. I used my airbrush to darken some of the ones closest to the branches. There were still electrical wires to be seen so I sprayed them with aerosol glue and sprinkled a fine herbs mix available in any supermarket for about a buck.

I kept stepping back and looking at the tree, squinting my eyes and adding and subtracting until I thought it looked right.  "Only God can make a tree"... absolutely right! I've had to fuss with this one during the entire construction of dio. It falls apart, sags, tilts and does pretty much anything it pleases. I just go through the whole process again! =(  Now, it's pretty stable so I guess it's ok.

I added a few tree trunks by the camp fire to make the tree more credible and also added a few 1/35 leaves on the tile roof of the shack, mixed in with a little more of the fine herbs mixture I bought at the supermarket.

The grass is again from a major supplier. However, it looked completely flat when I first installed it. I got it to look more natural by cutting it to different heights with small scissors. In some parts I got rid of most it., so it could fade away into the dirt. Some for or five different colors were air brushed on; darker on the bottom, lighter on the top.

The dirt has been extremely difficult. That calls for many colors and textures. I also used an airbrush to get the colors to blend in. I took a few artistic liberties too. If you look carefully, the tank thread marks  on the ground aren't sunken... they are elevated over the ground. Why? Because it think it shows up the effect better and if you check, not one person has commented about it, either here or the guys that have seen it live. =) It's sort of like an old dirt road that has sunken in the middle and it looks like the wheel paths are raised.

I'm awfully sorry I can't be of more help. I started on military subjects about 8 months back and while I make an effort to use the techniques I read about on magazines and have seen on the Web, I usually end up just working on things until they feel "right".

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Bocks Suv on Thursday, May 13, 2010 5:14 PM

Le farmer looks how I feel.  Love the table of tools. That metal brace swing-set thing still isnt doing it for me.  Less is more when it comes to augmenting the tank... IMHO. If you do keep it, I would rec sinking it into the mud a bit. Often dios have vehicles almost levitating on snow and mud. Pushing some mud or snow around in is easy... compared to trying to bulge plastic tires on a 1/32 fighter plane sitting on tarmac.    

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Posted by Electric Blues on Thursday, May 13, 2010 7:18 PM

Agreed. The way figures and vehicles sit on the ground makes a huge difference! Thanks!

It should look better once I finish it and attach it to the base. I think it's important to the diorama since it will be indicative of work being done on the tank. Still, I'll have to see it finished before I'll know if it's too much.

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