I need help with a time & place...

What version of the Pz IV do you mean by "Vorpanzer"?  (ausf D, E, H, J, etc?)  The SdKfz 251/22 was a later war weapon, so chances are if the PZ IV was in the same frame as it both vehicles would be in dark yellow / camo  not in Gray.

The 251/22 didn't enter service until around Dec 44, so it wouldn't have been seen on the Russian steppe. Persoanlly, if you want historical accuracy, i wouldn't put these two together. It may have been possable if there was a Vorpanzer taken from a training unit and used in a last ditch battle somehwere. As for colours, the Vorpanzer would be gray, the /22 would be camo.

I think you'd be better off posting this question to the armor forum. Some people from there, like Hans von Hammer just rarely take a peak into dioramas. Hope it helps, have a nice day

Paweł

Thanks all.I guess it'd be better to do separate small dio's [ after doing some Historical surfing] . keith

Bish

The 251/22 didn't enter service until around Dec 44, so it wouldn't have been seen on the Russian steppe. Persoanlly, if you want historical accuracy, i wouldn't put these two together. It may have been possable if there was a Vorpanzer taken from a training unit and used in a last ditch battle somehwere. As for colours, the Vorpanzer would be gray, the /22 would be camo.

Again,thanks to all.To Manstein's revenge,I've watched your replies & seen your work for year's. I've always been curious to your "moniker".What was his revenge [ Please pardon my historical ignorance] ,As I do know the impact Manstein had on the potential sucess in his differant campiagns [ were he not Micro-managed by "Der Fuerher" ] .Just trying to learn history here,not cause brew ha-ha's. keith

rudedog

To Manstein's revenge,I've watched your replies & seen your work for year's. I've always been curious to your "moniker".What was his revenge [?]...

A few clues: "Zuiho, 229 and cat whiskers"...

...The only two pertinent referances to Zuiho were that,#1, it was a converted oiler turned aircrafy carrier sacrificed as bait & #2, a Zen Buddhistwho beleived in textual learning rather than just passing on traditional lore.Then there's "229". the Horten brothers last flying wing design. Cat whiskers, not a clue [ other that if you cut them off ,they can't walk backwards. I think I need something more definitive.  rudedog

You're taking MR's answer too literally. The cat whiskers refers to my Panther Mk IX in ambush scheme (he is sitting in the chair by my disaster of awork bench). You'll need to do a search of odds and ends for the others, but as a hint Pickles the cat features on a $229 bill.  

Do the search, I'm sure you will regret it.

He took his revenge by putting some guy in an old converted plane and send him out into combat like throwing a cat into a dogfight?

I thought the revenge was a bad case of the Hershey Squirts.