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Desert Scene
Posted by Wart Hog on Wednesday, March 7, 2012 6:54 PM

I'm trying to do my first diorama. It is a desert scene of a A-10 attacking a a T-72 M1 Tank. It is 1/72 scale. I need some help on the desert part,I don't want to make it just flat and bare. Any help would be appreciated.

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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Wednesday, March 7, 2012 7:09 PM

A desert is rareley flat and bare.

Research the area you want the dio to be in (iraq, afganistan, etc) Pick a nice scene, try and replicate it.

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Posted by ajlafleche on Saturday, March 10, 2012 6:37 AM

You don't say how far you are into this project, but the distances involved in a air to ground attack are realistically impossible to show using two vehicles of the same scale. You need to force perspctive, i.e., have only one angle of view in something of a boxed diorama. From the ground, you'r need a tank at least 1/35 and the A10 would be no more than 1/144. The tank would be in the foreground and the A10 in the back. From theair, using a 1/72 aircraft's persepective, you'd have to go to a 1/288 game scale tank with the airpnale to the front and the tank in the background.

Watch this video, you see a target and an A 10 in the same frame at 1:59, 2:33 and 3:17.

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Posted by TomZ2 on Saturday, March 10, 2012 3:00 PM

Even viewed “The Beast” (1988)?

It was a T-62 from the DVD indicta, but the tank in the movie is actually an Israeli modification of a captured Soviet T-55, redesignated as the Ti-67 and fitted with a 105mm main gun.

Photos of T-72 A1's (in desert terrain, as Wart Hog requested):

Tags: T-72 M1 Tank

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, March 10, 2012 4:00 PM

TomZ2


It was a T-62, but it sure some desert terrain. More?

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/5802/32519cc35384.jpg

 

Actually those are T-72s. The road wheels are the giveaway identifying feature here. Later models with ERA blocks in background, so I would venture a guess that the picture was taken in Chechnya or Georgia. I don't recall the Iraqis or Syrians using ERA on their T-72s in combat against anyone who could inflict this sort of damage.

 

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Posted by TomZ2 on Saturday, March 10, 2012 11:09 PM

Stik, you're confused the ersatz T-62 "Beast" with the real T-72 M1s.

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, March 11, 2012 3:03 PM

TomZ2

Stik, you're confused the ersatz T-62 "Beast" with the real T-72 M1s.

See my .sig. Stick out tongue

The "Beast" tank is actually a T-55, captured by Israel and up-gunned with a British 105mm tank gun (a Tiran 5, not Ti-67). In this shot from the movie, you can see the gap between the 1st & 2nd roadwheels, a visual identification point on the T-54/55 series. On the T-62, there are pronouced gaps between 3rd & 4th, and 4th & 5th roadwheels, but not between 1st & 2nd roadwheels. The bore evacuator located on the 2/3rds of the way down the barrel from the bore mark it as a L7 105mm gun and not the original 100mm gun of a T-54/55 which has its' bore evacuator at the end of the gun, and the T-62 has its' bore evacuator 1/3rd of the way down the barrel from the bore of it's 115mm gun.Wink

Great movie BTW.

 

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Posted by TomZ2 on Sunday, March 11, 2012 9:48 PM

The DVD indicta saw a T-62; Wiki saw a Ti-67; you saw a Tiran 5.
Wart Hog wants "
a desert scene of a A-10 attacking a T-72 M1 Tank."
Can we agree a desert2 cents

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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:04 PM

How about we agree its an armoured vehicle on a firm surface?

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, March 12, 2012 3:56 PM

LOL! Not trying to cause any problems here. Yes it is a Soviet made tank on an arid terrain locale Wink

a little clarification- the Ti-67 is someone's made up designation for the T-54/55 captured and modified by the Israelis. Like the M113 Gavin or Flakpanzer 38(t) Gepard, it is a misnomer. The Israelis themselves call them Tirans. The Ti-67 nomenclature was never used by the user country. Just as Gavin or Gepard was never used by the user country for those vehicles in service. The number suffix after the Tiran title designate the particular model and modifications. Geeked

I am looking forward to seeing the A-10 vs T-72 dioramaStick out tongue Two subjects that I love and are a natural for such a scene.

 

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Monday, March 12, 2012 4:13 PM

AJ's right, you need to do it with  forced perspective, with nly one viewpoint.. In other words, a shadow box diorama...

Depending on what you want to do, put the A-10 in the rear or the tank, that will determine what scales you're going to use.. If you want the A-10 approaching from the rear (I'd suggest the rear quarter, either the 5 O'clock or 7 O'clock to the tank), then you'll probably want the A-10 in 1/144 scale and the tank in a larger scale, either 1/48 or 1/35th, with the tank right at the front...

Flipped around, you could do the A-10 in 1/72 or 1/48, with the tank at the plane's 12, but coming in at the rear quarter again on the tank..  You could also show the A-10 after the pass, with the pilot standing it up on one wing as he banks hard to come around again.. That'll show the viewer the entire top of your A-10..

Here's and example of a shadow box dio, using forced perspective:

The Mustang is 1/48th, the Me262 is 1/72..

At any rate, it sounds like you got your work cut out for you..

Keep us posted!

 

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