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Can you see them yet - Blue Division at Krasny Bor 1943

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 11, 2012 12:31 PM

The ones in my command halftrack had stamped stocks...they were matte black in color...

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Posted by Division 6 on Tuesday, July 10, 2012 5:19 PM

34's had both wood and bakelite.

Having seen several and dismantling one for molding

I think the 42 my friend owned had a wood stock.

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Wednesday, July 4, 2012 9:30 PM

I thought the 34 and 42's had bakelite stocks and some of the 42s  had wood laminated stocks.

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Posted by PaperPanzer on Tuesday, July 3, 2012 10:40 PM

Do you know when that photo was taken?

Auctung! Panzer!

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 3, 2012 3:09 PM

You can see the stamping "seam" in this pic:

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Posted by PaperPanzer on Friday, June 29, 2012 6:44 PM

Manstein's revenge

Yes. The MG 42 was mostly stamped metal, including the butt...most refs I have show the butt painted black...The early MG 34 had some real-wood stocks, I believe---but even they eventually went to man-made materials...they apeared to be in a red-brownish bakelite...

My references state that the MG 34's buttstock was always Bakelite, even from starting production. The metal stocks on the MG 42 is new to me though. I thought that they were either Bakelite or a laminate material like the Sturmgewer '44.

Auctung! Panzer!

- "And now for something completely different..."- Monty Python's Flying Circus


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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 29, 2012 7:54 AM

Yes. The MG 42 was mostly stamped metal, including the butt...most refs I have show the butt painted black...The early MG 34 had some real-wood stocks, I believe---but even they eventually went to man-made materials...they apeared to be in a red-brownish bakelite...

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Posted by 101stAirborne on Friday, June 29, 2012 7:52 AM

Cool little diorama. Nice work.

Models on the bench:

Too many to count!

  

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Posted by PaperPanzer on Friday, June 29, 2012 2:27 AM

I know that the buttstocks on MG 34s were Bakelite, don't know about the MG 42, but a lot of the "wood" used then was mostly laminates or synthetic.

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- "And now for something completely different..."- Monty Python's Flying Circus


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Posted by Reserve on Thursday, June 28, 2012 2:07 PM

Are you sure? I've seen quite a few pictures of them with brown buttstocks with wood grain apparent

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 28, 2012 11:53 AM

Reserve

...the buttstocks on MG-42's were wooden...

No they weren't...

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Posted by Reserve on Thursday, June 28, 2012 1:03 AM

Usually I use plain paper that's been painted the right color but I've heard of guys using aluminum foil and lead foil (from wine bottle cork wraps). With paper just soak up one edge with paint and cut with a metal ruler guide and a new #11 blade to the appropriate width. Once length is figured out, a bit of super glue where the attachment points are and you're good to go. The chief disadvantage of paper is that it's springy but a bit of practice should point the way. Need to try the lead foil method if I can ever get my hands on some.

 

Mark

 

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Posted by ghostt180 on Thursday, June 28, 2012 12:47 AM

Thanks for the feedback Beav and Reserve, I will get onto those points outlined above. What material do you guys use for rifle slings?

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Posted by Reserve on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 11:45 PM

Nicely put together, well laid out with good figure interaction. Apart from snow where it should not be, with which I agree, the buttstocks on MG-42's were wooden as were the scales on the pistol grip. Usually a dark brown or a dark reddish brown. A bit of very light drybrushing with a steel paint color may also be in order to give a seasoned look unless you wish to represent a brand new MG. Slings for the rifles are also missing...that is a job which I detest but the effect is good enough that I always try to do it. Note the word try.

Splendid looking work, please be sure to post it again when finished.

 

Regards,

Mark 

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Posted by beav on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:09 PM

The Spanish Blue Division is one of those units that has always intrigued me-it wasn't like the other national contingents sent by Axis-aligned nations; but if I'm not mistaken fought as a part of the German Army.  I think its fantastic that you are exhibiting their uniqueness!

Only 'criticism' I would have is that the telescope would probably not have snow on it, unless it was really snowing at the time of the 'snapshot' or the officer had been careless and left it out in a snowstorm.  Same goes for the gun mount, unlikely especially since they've kept their MG clean.

"First to Fire!"

Steven

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Posted by ghostt180 on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 9:20 PM

Whoops sorry guys forgot to mention this is 1/35

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Can you see them yet - Blue Division at Krasny Bor 1943
Posted by ghostt180 on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 9:19 PM

Progress so far on my Spanish Blue Division near Leningrad. Still need to detail faces, add a dust of talcum powder and smooth off the lines from application of snow. Wanted to give you guys a sneak peak as it could be months from completion as I have 2 other dio's on the go! Any feedback would be great.

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