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"Moon dirt"
Posted by To Orbit! on Tuesday, October 22, 2013 3:56 PM

Hi guys.  I'm building an older Airfix 1/72 apollo moon landing and if anyone has built this you know that the circular base that it comes with doesn't leave a whole lot of room for the experiment equipment.  So I wanted to expand the base in a diorama fashion.  I'm asking for ideas on that scale moon dirt/dust.  I got some ideas from this forum to include:  dental pumice, aquarium filter material, and for the bigger stuff, "curbside gravel".  I was also wondering about baking flour.  Would that work or would it dissolve in the adhesive/binder?

Thanks!

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Posted by chevit2001 on Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:41 PM

Sidewalk or regular writing chalk. Chopped or ground up.

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Posted by richs26 on Tuesday, October 22, 2013 7:28 PM

Use regular Portland cement as that is what the lunar surface looks like.

WIP:  Monogram 1/72 B-26 (Snaptite) as 73rd BS B-26, 40-1408, torpedo bomber attempt on Ryujo

Monogram 1/72 B-26 (Snaptite) as 22nd BG B-26, 7-Mile Drome, New Guinea

Minicraft 1/72 B-24D as LB-30, AL-613, "Tough Boy", 28th Composite Group

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Posted by mitsdude on Wednesday, October 23, 2013 12:36 AM

I'm 100% sure there is at least one other discussion on here about this exact topic. Maybe 1 1/2 to 2 years ago?

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, October 23, 2013 12:51 AM

Don't use anything from the kitchen. If the mice don't eat it first, it'll turn yellow.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by To Orbit! on Wednesday, October 23, 2013 5:26 PM

Thanks guys!  Those are the exact ideas I was looking for!  I'm gonna do some experimenting.

@mitsdude:  Yah, sorry if its a repeat.  I put in several searches with "0 results found" and after the first 10 pages of posts I got weary and lost patience.  :)

@GMorrison:  Thats a good one!  I would have never thought of that.

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Posted by TomZ2 on Thursday, October 24, 2013 12:28 AM

Lunar albedo (fractional reflectivity) is only about 0.12 – in other words, asphalt.

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Posted by mitsdude on Thursday, October 24, 2013 1:37 AM

To Orbit!

Thanks guys!  Those are the exact ideas I was looking for!  I'm gonna do some experimenting.

@mitsdude:  Yah, sorry if its a repeat.  I put in several searches with "0 results found" and after the first 10 pages of posts I got weary and lost patience.  :)

@GMorrison:  Thats a good one!  I would have never thought of that.

Yeah, been there with the search results. Lots of duplicate/false hits. Didn't intend my response to be a thread crap.

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, October 24, 2013 2:07 AM

Well yes and no. The moon has an albedo factor of 0.12, but that's an average. In other words; half moon. There's also a bunch of other variables such as incidence of reflection to the observer on earth, all giving a variable of up to 50%. So an .17 albedo is possible- wet dirt and grass. But certainly not like white powder.

Earth is a nice .35 on account of our clouds.

Anyone remember the Vangelis album "Albedo 039"?

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by Compressorman on Thursday, October 24, 2013 7:13 AM

Might want to look at tile grout.

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Thursday, October 24, 2013 7:38 AM

Well, I prefer REAL moon dirt of course, but I think the chalk (or plaster) option is probably the best as you can break that stuff down into smaller pieces as needed.

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by To Orbit! on Thursday, October 24, 2013 11:27 AM

Whoah! WHOOP...WHOOP!  Nerd Alert!  Just kidding guys.  I have no idea what you're talking about, but I get the gist by the picture.  I started out trying to get avery axact detail right (yes I'm another perfectionist by nature).  But at this point, close enough is good enough.  I have to at least get 1 model done!! (out of 5 in the works).  I appreciate EVERYONE'S tips!

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Posted by To Orbit! on Thursday, October 24, 2013 11:32 AM

Oh and by the way,  I AM gonna make it a few shades darker now.  :)

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, October 24, 2013 11:47 AM

Short story- In my day job, I curate display cases among other things. We recently installed cases in the new football wing of a D1 University. And one of the items was a football that went to space on the shuttle. One of the guys from ANOTHER vendor was carrying it around.

"Don't lose that!" I told him.

"What's it worth?".

"Well, you could spend $ 25 billion to get them another one".

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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  • From: Longmont, Colorado
Posted by Cadet Chuck on Thursday, October 24, 2013 11:16 PM

The moon is made of green cheese, as I recall from childhood days......

Gimme a pigfoot, and a bottle of beer...

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