Graf Zeppelin Ju 87b dynamic scale idea any advice?

Anonymous

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November 2005

Graf Zeppelin Ju 87b dynamic scale idea any advice?

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 9, 2004 11:02 AM

hello. im new. i have this diorama idea i want to do. i want to take a 1/720 Graf Zeppelin German aircraft carrier model and cut it down to waterline and make it appear to be in water. then i want use a 1/48 scale Ju 87b and mount it in flight above the carrier. i want it to appear as though the plane is flying high above its carrier.
heres where i need help. i thought about using two ju 87's .one 1/48 scale in front of the diorama and a 1/72scale plane behind further back as a wingman. my question is, should the two ju 87's be the same scale or will my dynamic scale differance in the planes look ok? i just wonder if having three different scales in one diorama would be to much?
second question. what can i mount the planes on and make them still look "in flight". i thought about hidding the supports in nearby clouds but that might look silly having the wings touching clouds.
third question. what is the best "props in motion" technique
im greatful for any help i can get. thanks

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DanCooper

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March 2004
From: Belgium

Posted by DanCooper on Thursday, September 9, 2004 11:27 AM

As I understand, you would want to make a forced view dio. Since I'm only a beginner when it comes to dio's, you should probably take my advice for it's worth (if it's worth anything at all).

Thing is, in my humble opinion ; if your planes are bigger than the ship, then the viewer should look down on the ship, so the dio should be placed really low. But in that case, the ship will not be the centerpoint of the dio anymore, the 1/48 plane will then be the centerpoint.

On the bench : Revell's 1/125 RV Calypso

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chopperfan

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November 2003
From: Oklahoma

Posted by chopperfan on Thursday, September 9, 2004 12:37 PM

You might try doing it as a shadow box type of diorama.
I think it would be a little more believable when someone views it.
JMHO

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 9, 2004 1:30 PM

Randie has the right idea, build it as a shadow box. The only way this will work is by using a forced-perspective viewing angle, in this case, from above. This will be rather unique, since all of the shadow boxes I've ever seen view from the front. While this may present some problems, at least you will be able to mount the planes on acrylic rods, which will not be seen from above. This will involve a lot of planning to position lights, wiring, etc, but it has the potential to look really cool if you are up to the task of building it.

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oldhooker

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July 2003
From: Piedmont Triad, NC (USA)

Posted by oldhooker on Thursday, September 9, 2004 1:33 PM

Blackwolf, (if he only knew how familiar that name is)

Concerning the diorama display; I made a concept drawing a while back of an idea I had, using a 1/72 & 1/48 T-28B, flying high over the snowy fields below.

(If a high altitude in-flight diorama was desired, one could use the plane's contrails to mask the mounting mechanism, which could be attached to the wall of the display, instead of "wing-clouds") Wink [;)]

As soon as I make some illustrations, I'll also show you a nifty little technique in blurring a propeller that'll make them look incredibly real... in the meantime, check out the experimental "in-motion" diorama I recently completed, which actually worked out better than I thought it would. See the thread:
http://www.finescale.com/fsm/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=26584

Take care,
Frank

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 9, 2004 9:02 PM

thanks for all the ideas. great "in motion" dio oldhooker. i kinda realized that the dio would have to be looked at from above, but i didnt think about a shadow box. all these ideas are great. old hooker your concept drawing is kinda what i imagined only a carrier and ocean below.
also any tech on taking a ship with a complete hull and making it a waterline? do i cut it? if so what with? thanks

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oldhooker

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July 2003
From: Piedmont Triad, NC (USA)

Posted by oldhooker on Friday, September 10, 2004 12:50 AM

Hey Black...

I worked on that picture a little bit, to illustrate how one could create a forced view display using basic materials. Find a poster at Wal Mart of some ocean view, cut out the background scene, then match your paint to the picture as you begin covering whatever water medium you use, in order to blend the base to the background. (of course, it should be matched/blended/contoured/etc. as well as possible along the transition line... *maybe a pre-formed clay bed along the bottom corners, then slit & overlay the bottom of the poster section.... then blended in**)

The desired illusion should be naturally accomplished by displaying it on a low shelf/coffee table... China Hutch! Naa, that's getting too brave, better stick with the low shelf idea! Big Smile [:D]

Just idea's... but that's where good looking displays come from, right? Wink [;)]

Take care,
Frank

Oh yeah, I've done two waterline cuts of ship hulls... I ink-marked the desired cut line along each side of the hull by scooting a smaller table beside my workbench and placed the assembled/tacked hull on top of it, shimming it up so it's about 1 inch from the edge of my workbench, exactly on the desired waterline. I then cut all but the tip from one of those Sharpie Fine Point Permanent Markers and mounted it on the end of a 6" metal ruler, that I modified to hold a marker tip. I then placed the ruler at one end of the hull (dead on the waterline), and carefully slid it along the workbench table top, forming a straight ink-line to use as a cutting guide. On the fore and aft ends, I scribed around the bend, and used those marks to adjust the hull for inking the other side.

I cut the hulls using my Drummel Tool cutting wheel.

I'm working a 1/570th Revell Titanic at the moment, and it's going to be displayed as it appeared at 1:20am, the night it sank. "Down at the head and a noticable list starboard". I used this method to mark the cut, even with the hull at this unusual angle. Wink [;)]

I'm sure there's other more high tech ways of doing it, this is how I done mine.

Smile [:)]

that's all Smile [:)]

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 10, 2004 9:33 AM

very cool oldhooker. do you have finescale modeler issue feb 2002? if you do, check out page 41. it has a forced perspective of a 1/125 scale u-boat and a 1/48 scale avenger, very cool.

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oldhooker

Member since
July 2003
From: Piedmont Triad, NC (USA)

Posted by oldhooker on Friday, September 10, 2004 6:02 PM

Black,

I don't have any FSM magazines past 2000, as the subscription rate finally worked it's way over the top. I have stacks going back to 1989 though! Smile [:)]

I submitted an illustration to the Techniques section while ago of the water-line procedure described above.......
http://www.finescale.com/fsm/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=27131

Take care,
Frank

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 10, 2004 8:13 PM

thanks oldhooker. im taking notes

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