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any ideas on how to simulate lightning
Posted by vicken67 on Saturday, April 9, 2005 5:45 PM
Hi my name is Vic. I'm working on a historical diorama .My back drop is a light box with a picture of a sunset over the desert. In the background of the picture is lightning. I've put a low watt bulb to enhance the sunset But the lightning is a problem let me tell you what i've done to see if you can give me any other input.
1 lightning being so bright i put white paper lightning bolts on the pictrure....Bad idea.
2 I cut the lightning out of the picture to let the light of the bulb throgh.......too yellow.. so i tried bouncing it off of mirrors and tin foil ....lets not even go there.
3 I put a mini strobe light in the box ........ok.......closer but it light up the whole area and the lightning does'nt look like it's in the back ground and it's not random.
I'm thinking about trying some fiber optics tricks. Dose anybody have any ideas of what looks good? Thanks for the help. VicQuestion [?]
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Posted by gringe88 on Saturday, April 9, 2005 10:07 PM
try putting some wax paper in the place of the lightening, n shine a white bulb through it from behind n down. maybe u could cut the lightening into the wax paper, so tht the direct light shines through the hole, and through the paper around it. idk, jst som ideas
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 9, 2005 11:58 PM
I think the better one is with the strobo.Use it and seal the shadow box as many as you can together with black paint.
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Posted by stan2004 on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:54 AM
neat idea to use fiber to give definition to solve rear-illumination point source problem. also look at electroluminescent or EL wire available in different colors including white. ironically, there is even a brand called lightningwire. if EL color or on/off time is not suitable for your simulation then side-glow fiber where light source determines timing. Strobe makes sense because of rapid decay vs. filament bulbs. Or white LEDs might work since most have a blue-ish tint which seems appropriate for simulating lightning ionization. LEDs are also instant-on/off. Randomizing might require custom circuitry - most randomizing diorama lighting kits i've seen would be too fast such as for flame or arc-welder simulation. If planning multiple arcs to move lightning around (else lightning strikes twice in same place), surplus camera flash modules for a few bucks can keep cost down - though doesn't solve problem of randomizing and sequencing. how about adding sound module with thunder[:0]. interested to know what you come up with.
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Posted by vicken67 on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 1:24 AM
THANK YOU! those are some excelent ideas i'm not very electronic savy.I will print this page and take it to my local electronic hardware store.Do you think that might the best place to pic up some of these items? Some of what you mentioned hadn't even gone throgh the farthest corner of my mind. These suggestions just opened up a whole new set of posibilites. Once again thank you and when i'm finished i will post it on for you all to see.Vic.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 2:49 AM
Strangely enough, if this is of any help, some people have commented that the tree in my Red Menace dio (below in this forum) looks a lot like lightning.
It's a sprayed dry root.
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Posted by nsclcctl on Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:24 AM
kite, string, key and a stormy day?
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Posted by Matthew Usher on Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:58 AM
Miniatronics (www.miniatronics.com) makes electric/electronic accessories for model railroaders.

Their arc welding light looks a lot like lightning -- it has two bright white LEDs that "arc" randomly to simulate the look of an electric welder. I have one that I intend to install in an auto-shop diorama someday. It'd do a great job of simulating lightning.

And beyond that, the Miniatronics site has some very handy stuff if you're adding lights, etc, to your models.

Matt Usher @ FSM
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:39 AM
A low-tech solution: find your favorite photograph of a lightning strike, and print it on a color transparency. Use this as a backdrop, and light it from behind.
Brian
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Posted by Tinker on Tuesday, July 5, 2005 2:40 AM
You didn't mention at what scale you're working, but I have another idea that will probably sound totally nuts. If you or someone you know is very good at electrical/electronics work and can work at a very small scale--think about using a homemade Tesla coil. That would give you the total randomness of the lightning as well as real bolts , but without the dangers. I have seen photos of Tesla Coils made to small, tabletop sizes, but I can't say what's the smallest they can be built. I am not writing this tongue-in-cheek, but as a serious idea. Nothing ventured,.....!
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 5, 2005 6:38 PM
Why settle for a simulation? Get a 20000 volt Tesla coil for some reasonably harmless real lightning.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 8, 2005 8:33 PM
I saw in a museum once a low budget but effective way to simulate lightning: They had a stiff, black background with a lightning strike cut into it by razor blade, and flashed a light on and off behind it. Crude but effective. P.S., thanks for your advice with my Auschwitz diorama.
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Posted by TigerII on Friday, July 8, 2005 11:59 PM
Stand outside in a thunderstorm with a lightning rod in your hand.

TigerII

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