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Anyone speak German?
Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 8:17 PM
I'm building a diorama featuring Italeri's Wiley's Jeep with figures and Tamiya's 7.5 cm Anti-Tank Pak 40 (with figures). The premise of the diorama is: a U.S. Jeep rounding a corner and coming face to face with the Pak, which is partially hidden behind some brush. Rock hits the brakes and Cpl. Canfield jumps out of the back, grabbing the recoiless rifle from the trailer. Pvt. Shapiro slaps a fresh mag into the M1 Carbine and prepares to charge the enemy position. Meanwhile, the Germans have rotated the gun to face the men of Easy, loaded the shell and slammed shut the breech.

It is this point in time that the diorama captures. Rock yells: "Take 'Em Out!" at the same time as the German commander yells: "Take 'Em Out!"...except in German.

Can anyone tell me what the German phrase for "Take 'Em Out!" would be?

It would go on the title plaque on the left hand side of the diorama, under the Pak, while the English phrase would go under the Jeep.

(Bonus points for Canfield and Shapiro's nicknames Wink [;)])
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Posted by duckman on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 8:55 PM
Nehmen Sie sie heraus! - Take Them Out!

Nehmen-' EM Heraus! -Take 'Em Out!

sounds like it gonna be a sweet diorama cant wait to see pics!
ps the next time you need something translated just go to http://dictionary.reference.com/
and goto translator!

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:15 PM
Duckman, Thank you so much, I checked the translators and I really do appreciate your efforts. "Take 'em out" is part of the English/American/Canadian lexicon. Is a direct German translation equivalent or would they have had another phrase for thier war cry?

P.S. Jeep and figures are just completed, not even weathered. Pak is still in box. Pics to follow soon.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:32 AM
Duckman has it right.
Another well known classic is "Schnell schnell schnell!!!"
Sounds like you have a great idea for a dio. When reading your post I though your describing a war story or a movie. I got confused. Lots of things going on.
Smile [:)]
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Posted by barrovian on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 11:29 AM
Nehmen Sie sie aus - Take them out. I use the following free translation site http://www.freetranslation.com/
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 4:13 PM
eh "schnell" is so original its getting boring. Try mine ;
Nehmen Sie sie aus! - take them out!
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Posted by DanCooper on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 4:25 PM
Sorry guys, I had a couple of years German lessons when in High School (German is the thirt official language language in my country), althoug your translation is grammatically correct, they would heve never used it in such a situation, it sounds more like a foreman hurrying his people to unloud a truck or something. Unfortunately, I am not able to give you a suitable phrase instead.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 5:56 PM
Thanks Dan, I figured that would be the case.
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Posted by gringe88 on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 6:27 PM
one question canuck, why would the GI's have a recoiless rifle in their jeep? that didnt come into use until around the late 50s-60s. just asking
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 19, 2005 10:01 AM
Good point, I haden't even thought of that. I looked it up and it seems that the M18 was developed late in WW2.

This is from http://www.olive-drab.com/od_infweapons_recoilless.php

The recoilless rifle was first used by the U.S. Army at the end of World War II.

The recoilless rifle combined a rocket propelled munition with a rifled barrel (unlike the smooth bore bazooka) firing a spin-stabilized round with anti-tank capability. The RR ammunition looks like an artillery round but with "swiss cheese" vent holes in the case allowing escape of the gasses that propel the round. The light recoil made it possible to fire them from the shoulder, a tripod, or smaller vehicles such as a jeep.
U.S. Recoilless Rifle Models

There were five major models in the family of Recoilless Rifles fielded by the U.S. Army and Marine Corps:

57mm M18 (WW II & Korea)
75mm M20 (WW II & Korea)
90mm M67
105mm M27 (Korea)
106mm M40 (Vietnam)

The M18 and M18A1 recoilless rifle were developed late in World War II for use like a bazooka as an anti-tank or anti-personnel weapon. It was light enough to be fired from the shoulder, although heavier than a bazooka. The M18 takes a 57 mm round effective against 1 inch armor up to a range of 4500 yards (meters) much more range and penetration than the bazooka. The M18 was used by Marines in Okinawa as well as in Korea until replaced by the more effective 3.5 inch M20 bazooka with its HEAT round...


Its still concievable that the scene could have taken place. Its not necessry for me to have absolute historical accuracy in my work but I certainly wouldn't want to have Korean or Vietnam era G.I.'s fighting the Germans.

So, it seems that my guys are using one of the first prototypes. Let's hope that the Ordnance Department Small Arms Engineers know what they are doing!

You see, this is why I love this hobby; you get to learn something new. Cool!
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Posted by Lufbery on Thursday, May 19, 2005 10:37 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by DanCooper

Sorry guys, I had a couple of years German lessons when in High School (German is the thirt official language language in my country), althoug your translation is grammatically correct, they would heve never used it in such a situation, it sounds more like a foreman hurrying his people to unloud a truck or something. Unfortunately, I am not able to give you a suitable phrase instead.


I agree. The translation is very formal and probably not something that a German would say anyway.

I suggest: "Schiesse! Schiesse! Schiesse!" which is the informal, imperative (command) way of saying "Shoot! Shoot! Shoot!"

If I were in that situation, I'd probably be saying, "Shoot d*mn it! Shoot! Now!!!!" Smile [:)]

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 19, 2005 12:18 PM
Thanks Drew. The artistic intent of the scene is to show the duality or mirroring of the two groups of three grunts encountering one another at the same time and firing at the same time with neither one having the upper hand. The outcome remains uncertain. So, I was hoping to to use the same phrase for each. I'll make it work somehow.
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Posted by Lufbery on Thursday, May 19, 2005 1:49 PM
Hi Canuck,

I get your point, I just doubt that the Germans would say the equivalent to "Take them out." They certainly wouldn't say, "Nehmen Sie sie aus" which is the equivalent of "My good man, take them out." To which a German soldier might have responded, "take them where?"

But, artistic license is to be encouraged. To make the phrase more suitable, you may want to try "Nehm' sie aus!" That's the same phrase, but in the form of a command.

Regards,

-Drew

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 19, 2005 2:50 PM
Awesome! Thanks Drew.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 19, 2005 6:05 PM
great storyline! might annoy a lot of people! WHO WINS? WHO WINS?
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 19, 2005 7:03 PM
Thanks. That's the whole point. Not to annoy people of course, but for the outcome to be ambiguous. Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by tho9900 on Thursday, May 19, 2005 9:02 PM
have to be careful of the online translators... someone recently translated something on one of those from English to spanish in a group build and what started as: I hope soon to start on my buffalo, as everyone else is so far ahead of me" ended up: "I go willingly in the way of the buffalo, those who resist will go ahead of me" (Literally, re: Battle of Britain Group Build)

Or I've seen some end up in such a ultra polite form it was funny... Like I was sitting at Camelot in Latin America or something haha....

I agree with the "Schiesse!" translation from what limited German I picked up... I seem to remember a political cartoon when I was staying in Dusseldorf that was a similar situation with the same resulting wording...
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Posted by philp on Thursday, May 19, 2005 9:43 PM
(Bonus points for Canfield and Shapiro's nicknames )

Canfield - Bulldozer

Shapiro - Wildman

Used to love the Sgt. Rock comics as well as The Haunted Tank. Wish I still had all of those.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 19, 2005 10:08 PM
Bow [bow]
Yeah! Nice one Phil. I was wondering how long it would take for someone to get that. I know, those comics were my favorite. I wish that I still had them too. I'll have to go rooting through the comic shop's used boxes. There must be some still kicking around.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 20, 2005 7:43 AM
Native speaker here.

Honestly, I have trouble thinking of a fitting equivalent. None I can think of are close to the meaning, AND sound right coming from someone who is actually in the line of fire.
I would recommend "Feuer!" (fire), "Schiess!" (shoot, singular), or "Schießt!" (shoot, plural); the latter two could be varied by repeating them ("Shoot! SHOOT!!!"), or adding "schon" or "endlich" after it (now I can't think of a proper English equivalent. basically "Hurry up!").


For the sake of completeness, hoping not to offend anyone...
Nehmen Sie sie heraus! - implies that they are inside something, where they shall be taken out of.
Nehmen- 'EM heraus! - same, but the translation program didn't recognize "Em"
Schnell schnell schnell - correct, but simply means "Hurry up!"
Nehmen Sie sie aus - Gut them. (yes, like "eviscerate")
Schiesse - extremely formal, sounding more appropriate for the 19th century than WWII
Nehm' sie aus - dialect (should be "nimm") for the singular of "gut them"
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Posted by Lufbery on Friday, May 20, 2005 8:11 AM
Mr. Marx,

I was hoping a native speaker would drop in. I had a nagging worry that my high school German wasn't quite right. Smile [:)]

Regards,

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 20, 2005 9:12 AM
Wow, thanks Marx. That's terrific. I like the Nehmen Sie sie aus - Gut them. (yes, like "eviscerate") translation, but the German figures are just Wermacht (I think). If I modify one into an SS officer, it might be more appropriate Evil [}:)] (although, the scene is supposed to represent one group of regular guys encountering another group of regular guys).

Yesterday, I posted the question on a German language forum at About.com and got the following responses (unfortunately, they didn't tell me what the english meaning was):

"Macht sie fertig!" or "Los, macht sie fertig!" and "Knallt sie ab! (more drastic)"

Just for fun, I ran them through the translator. You get: Power! You finished! and It slams off! Smile [:)]

Anyway, I think that I'll use something along the lines of: Schiess! Schnell! SCHIESS! - Shoot! Quickly! SHOOT!

Thanks to everyone for all their help. I only joined a few days ago and have been looking around a lot since. This is a really great community.

Cheers.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 20, 2005 11:07 AM
Me again Big Smile [:D]

Macht sie fertig! - Finish them off!
Los, macht sie fertig! - Go, finish them off!
Knallt sie ab! - slang for Shoot them!

All of them (especially the last one) are more appropriate for mobsters than soldiers, but the first one is indeed closer to "take them out" than anything I came up with.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 20, 2005 1:51 PM
Fertig! Los! (Ready! Fire!) might be something a German would say in that situation.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 20, 2005 3:15 PM
Unlikely.
It's more accurately translated as "Get ready! Go!"
It can be used in a combat situation, but usually when you're in cover, and about to leave it.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, May 28, 2005 8:58 PM
"Feuer!" would seem adequate ("Fire!) Or "Feuer! Jetzt!" ("Fire! Now!")
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 25, 2005 1:29 AM
Feuer Frei!
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 26, 2005 12:22 AM
Sorry cant help you on this one,dont speak german.Once I tried to put Jagd(for Jagdtiger)in a translater..it said:One word..thats 39.95............39.95!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by RadMax8 on Thursday, June 30, 2005 11:07 PM
My good man, take them out! Sounds like something a brit general would say
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Posted by uproar on Sunday, July 3, 2005 9:34 PM
"Take them out!" is idiomatic speech--those odd phrases and expressions peculiar to a particular language, which totally lose their meaning when translated verbatim into other languages. It would never hold the same meaning in German. Think of the response of General McAuliffe, acting cammander of the 101st US Paratroopers who were surrounded by Germans at Bastogne in December 1944, low on ammo and outnumbered, when called upon by the German commander to surrender--"Nuts!". Scribbled on paper. Just like that. The message was returned to the Germans, who had utterly no clue what it meant. "It means 'Go to Hell'!" was finally translated to them--that they understood!

Always remember the idiomatic discrepancies when translating things. Something more to the point, like "Toten (with umlaut over the "o") Sie!" ("kill them!") or "Schiessen Sie" ("shoot them!") would be more appropriate. Or perhaps even "Scheisse!!" (I'll let you look that one up!). If you could find a real German person out there, or someone fluent, you might actually find an equivalent German idiomatic phrase, which would be great. Also-ask around-make sure that "Take them out!" was an idiom that was even used in this country in the 1940's. Sounds a bit modern/Rambo era for me. Like saying "Waste them!"

Took German in Junior High/High School for 4 years. 29 years ago. A bit rusty ("rusty"--there's another one of them there little idiomatic thingies!)

It occurs to me that "Take them out!" might be construed as proposing a group date....which would just seem wrong under the circumstances! Big Smile [:D]
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