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Tires - bearing a heavy load?

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  • From: Indiana
Posted by hkshooter on Sunday, January 22, 2006 5:41 PM

I myself am an aircraft modeler, primarily 1/72 scale. I've never been a fan of the "over inflated" tire look and sand the bottoms of my tires flat to suggest weight. At that scale any bulge there might be would be very hard to see do I don't heat and press for the bulge.Comparing many different craft in static displays and museums to my end results has satisfied me.

With heavier, larger vehicles, though, I've never seen much of a bulge at all and I'd be hesitant to mess with tires in those cases. I like what others recomended with pressing the model into the ground work some. I'd pay attention to the cross section of the tread too. Make sure that the tires are not rounded from side to side where the wheel will touch the ground. This will make sure the tire tread shoulders will touch the ground instead of looking like the pressure is twice what it should be.

My .02.  

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Posted by shaun68 on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 5:28 PM

I think you also have to keep it all in general context. I remember someone asking about this very issue in relation to a LAV's tyres. Certainly in Australia, our LAV's run on an inert pressure system, rather than regular air - probably cos of a lot of our vehicles tend to do training ops in rugged bush. In any case, Nitrogen or other inert gasses won't show deformation in the sidewall, as they're stable rather than kinetic.

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Posted by TommyHawk on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 1:27 PM

Sounds like I'm in the minority, but I'm a big fan of bulged tires too.  I've always thought that stiff, round tires looked a little strange and unrealistic on "heavy" models.  Instead of sanding a spot flat, I heat 'em up and squish away - being careful not to produce too much bulge.  On my PBY-5A, the tires already came with a little squish, but it's a great effect having more, and I've gotten several positive comments specifically about that detail.  True, though, that a bulged tire means it has "failed" and would be replaced by a crew ASAP. 

Just like weathering - if you don't want to portray your piece like it's straight off the assembly plant floor, let it have some streaks, dents, rust and dust.  If it's heavy, let the thing push down on the tires!  Remember, these are small, static representations.  We accentuate panel lines to promote an idea of use and depth, even though the real thing doesn't necessarily look like that.

It's just your personal choice - obviously the thing is heavy in real life, so some squish will drive that point home on your model.

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Posted by T26E4 on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 5:05 PM
I agree with the fake look of bulged tires.  They were all the rage when first introduced for a/c builders.  Then someone said "do they really look like this?"  One of the managers of Squadron (who was one of the initiators of bulged resin wheels) was a guest at one of our IPMS meetings once.  I asked him about this afterwards.  He just kinda shrugged his shoulders.  Oh well.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 6:55 AM
I do 1/72 scale aircraft and file a flat spot in the tyres. I think the bulged tyres do look flat!
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Posted by Tinker on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 8:38 PM

I happily agree with the no-bulge crowd.  Those after market bulged A/C tires look rediculas.  If you scaled those up to 1:1 planes, the crewchief would be fired.  I worked flightlines for several years and the only tires I ever saw like those were in the process of going flat.  I drove 18-wheelers for about 5 years after retiring from the military, and the same idea goes for " big trucks " and " large cars ".  Even though their tires are radial, they still don't pouch out.  We always " thumped " them with a hammer or piece of pipe on the treads to check for flats because the duals would not " look " flat, even under load.  My 2 cents [2c]

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 4:53 PM

 zokissima wrote:
Excessive bulges just don't look right. I tend to push the vehicle into the groundwork, or sand the bottom lightly, although I'm not a fan of showing bulges in tires. A lot of my references just don't show any.

Tend to agree with everyone else. The quickest and easiest way is just to flatten the tyres a little with a file. Keeping  it simple stops you spoiling a good model. More realism less effort. 

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Posted by zokissima on Monday, November 14, 2005 11:14 AM
Excessive bulges just don't look right. I tend to push the vehicle into the groundwork, or sand the bottom lightly, although I'm not a fan of showing bulges in tires. A lot of my references just don't show any.
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Posted by ajlafleche on Monday, November 14, 2005 10:01 AM
Bulged tires are flat tires, too little air pressure which equals increased rolling resistance and ineffeciency. At the water department near me, there was a trailer parked with a backhoe on it. The trailer tires showed no appreciable bulge from 15 feet away. You colud increase the footprint minimally by sanding the bottom, but a bulged tire will not look right.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 12, 2005 12:43 PM
Gino is quite right, another thing to consider is that the military uses higher tire pressures in some cases. I distinctly remember civilian type vehicles with "70PSI" stencled over the wheel wells. Semi trucks often run over 100 PSI (nearly 4x what a passenger car uses).
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Posted by HeavyArty on Sunday, November 6, 2005 1:15 PM
Some kits come with the tires molded with a bulge to show weight. The heat and squish method is good, you can also slice a small portion of the tire off, then build up the bulge with some putty as well, this works well when making flat tires as well.

Another consideration though, depending on the vehicle, there may not be a bulge. HMMWVs for example bulge very little. HMMETs don't bulge much either. The tires on most US Military vehicles are actually designed not to do this, with extra support straps in the sidewalls to prevent bulging and rolling of the sidewall.

To get the vehicle and tires firmly planted into your base, and create the impression of weight, it is best to push them in while the groundwork is still moist, so that it holds the impression and the vehicle is firmly planted. That way, they will not look like they are floating on a small piece of the surface, but actually driving through it.

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Posted by madspaniard on Sunday, November 6, 2005 12:00 PM
In the planes they are tires who shows the weight of the plane,in truck you need to get some heat to the plastic tire and pressure to the ground to give the weight effect.
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Tires - bearing a heavy load?
Posted by Fish-Head Aric on Sunday, November 6, 2005 11:49 AM
I have been so blessed to see so many truly awesome works of tanks, trucks, etc. here since joining a few months back. Something always seems to get my attention about some model jobs, that I have had a time putting my thumb on, but have finally figured out.

I just finished looking at the Russian Transport dio, and I have always loved to see big rigs with big tires doing big work - logging trucks in the woods, monster trucks at truck shows, etc. But there is a challenge I never quite nailed down until now.

A model is molded with nice, new and round tires, as if still in the show room where the tires were bought. But realistically, the weight of the vehicle, and the roughness of the terrain, is going to bear down on them big, round rubber balloons and force them to flatten. This is something to challenge a realist modeler.

Of course, one option is to sink the tires into the groundwork a bit, but then the model would look like it ought to be making a trench for a path, or that it is stuck in the ground.

How would you bring that flattening into the model tire? What can you do to get the tires to look like they are molding to the scenery in a diorama, and not appear as though the big, heavy rig is almost floating atop the ground?

Are there vehicle kits with tires molded to consider the car or truck weight?
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