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  • Member since
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  • From: West Virginia, USA
Woodland Scenics and white glue
Posted by mfsob on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 10:05 AM

Trying to save some money, I followed the hints on the forums and used diluted white glue (about 1:1) to put Woodland Scenics static grass down on the plastic base of my diorama, instead of the pricey Woodland Scenics landscaping glue. The base is an IMEX display case, which I did roughen with coarse sandpaper before putting down a single rough coat of brown enamel paint.

I let it dry thoroughly after pressing down my mixed shades of grass to try and get good adhesion, but now big clumps of the stuff are coming off. Should I just scrape it all off and start over, and cave in and use the Woodland Scenics glue? How do the rest of you get this stuff to go down and stay down on a plastic base?

  • Member since
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 12:33 PM
Hi Mf

For your first layer of grass, use full strength white glue. Spread it over with an old paint brush. Just check the bottle to see if it sticks to plastic.

Diluted white glue is only any good for for the final fixing of leaf scatter etc.

You might want to try using Celluclay on top of your painted base to give a ground texture.

Good luck.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 12:33 PM
I have found that priming a plastic base does the trick. White glue will tend to shrink into a puddle because there is not much surface adhesion on the plastic display bases, even with sanding. Just mask off the area and shoot it with flat paint. Olive or brown also gives you a base color under your ground cover.  Good luck!  Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by Triarius on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 2:17 PM
The diluted white glue is mostly for things it can soak into, or that it can soak up. For first application, thin it to the consistancy of thick paint. For layers above that, it can be quite thin. Also, add a small amount of dish detergent (a few drops at most) to the thinned glue to break surface tension.

Model rails have been doing this since long before there was a Woodland Scenics.

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  • From: CANADA
Posted by Kelly_Zak on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 2:32 PM

Mfsob,

I do the same thing, and use a fairly thick dilution of glue to water, I've found that with the grass and even soil/tile grout, have a small misting bottle of water handy, and just before you add your glue/water, lightly mist the area with water, which will make the glue/water mix instantly soak into the groundwork. Hold the bottle away for the first few sprays, because a little of the grass will fly from the air hitting the ground..after that you'll be good to go.

Cheers

Kelly

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  • From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Posted by zokissima on Thursday, February 9, 2006 10:00 AM
As said in the first reply, I tend to use full strength white glue for the first application.
  • Member since
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  • From: West Virginia, USA
Posted by mfsob on Sunday, February 12, 2006 5:07 PM

This is one reason I love this forum, where else can you get all this great advice from people who have actually done it?

I did as suggested, just adding a little bit of water and a couple of drops of dish detergent to make it easier to spread - and this time the grass stayed down. Now all I have to do is figure out how to attach this dinky little biplane to it ...

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  • From: Harrisburg, PA
Posted by Lufbery on Monday, February 13, 2006 1:46 PM
This question came at just the right time for me too!

Thanks guys.

Regards,

-Drew

Build what you like; like what you build.

  • Member since
    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 2, 2006 12:32 PM
i have some grass and sand applied allready with just white glue i spread out and it looks good now for the next layers. I have fluffy or bigger chunks of grass applied if i appl y the 1:1 mix with it still appear to be fluffy or will it lie flat, trying to make it fluffy still



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  • From: East Stroudsburg, PA
Posted by TigerII on Sunday, April 2, 2006 6:29 PM

I'm glad the advice you received was able to help you with your diorama.  One advice was to try Celluclay to get some ground texture.  Next time try it, it gives you that lifelike ground feel on your diorama.

 

TigerII

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