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  • Member since
    March 2006
  • From: South Coast, UK
Need some help with starting dioramas
Posted by NikToo on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 7:55 AM

I'm doing a couple of 1/48 tanks, and I really want to put them in simple dioramas as it really helps to bring the model alive. What I have in mind is just a simple frame for a base with some grass and rocks (and some soldiers). What sort of things do I need for this? I've used Games Workshop's Static Grass in the past but I'm not a great fan of it. Are there any good alternatives for 1/48 scale grass? Where do people normally get their base, just frame shops or?

Any help is much appreciated.

On the bench: Tamiya 1/48 Tiger I: Tamiya 1/48 Jagdpanther: Skybow 1/48 Tiger I Late:
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    November 2005
  • From: Somewhere over the rainbow
Posted by m1garand on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:08 AM

Hello NikToo,

You can get a photo frames from your local craft shops and use them for bases.  While at it, you can get celluclay to form your ground.  I haven't done it myself, but you can find many articles on how to build diorama here. 

Good luck and have fun while building your diorama!

  • Member since
    November 2004
  • From: Canada
Posted by sasd on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:25 AM
Don`t go crazy and put out alot of money right off the bat for a frame for a base,go to secondhand shops,you`ll find what you need there as well as look at secondhand craft supplies area,sometimes you`ll find some modelling stuff for trains for groundcover.I recently found a huge bag of life-like grasses etc which aren`t available any more.Spend a little time looking rather than spending a whole lot of money and getting frustrated.
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  • From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Posted by zokissima on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:56 AM

Hi

I suggest you go to Wallmart. I found some cheapo bases there. Prepainted in satin or gloss black, and ready to go, right as they are, for about $5 a pop.

For groundwork, I used to use actual dirt, finely sifted, and mixed with water and white glue. I'll still use that if I want to portray cracked earth. I've recently started using celluclay, and I really like it. As for grasses, I've been trying to find some good products, but really its mostly all too expensive, or not readily available here. I use dyed sawdust, mixed with herbs, tea leaves, and other spices to get a variety of groundcover effects.

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  • From: Drummondville, Quebec, Canada
Posted by Yann Solo on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 9:08 AM
 zokissima wrote:

 As for grasses, I've been trying to find some good products, but really its mostly all too expensive, or not readily available here. I use dyed sawdust, mixed with herbs, tea leaves, and other spices to get a variety of groundcover effects.

I like that!  Using everyday product is brilliant.  Is there a thread on that subject: everyday products to be used in modeling?  I'm currently building my first dio and would like to share that kind of info!

No matter where you go ....... there you are.
  • Member since
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  • From: kent uk
Posted by shroomy on Thursday, May 25, 2006 1:27 AM

NikToo 

for your base use either 6mm or 8mm mdf a 8x4 sheet will cost about £10 you will get a lot of bases from that.

use quater beading from b&q for the frame

seal the bases with varnish £5 a tin you will get alot of coverage out of a tin

if you have any height then use polystyrene tiles for underneath covered with plaster of paris (celluaclaly is to expensivese make your own out of shreded paper)

anymore help give me a shout

for grass i use either this

http://www.netmerchants.co.uk/product.php/8242/0/

or this

http://www.netmerchants.co.uk/product.php/8248/0/

  • Member since
    May 2006
  • From: LONDON UK
Posted by wingzandthingz on Friday, May 26, 2006 4:05 AM

Hi There,

Been  doing dioramas for years and this is the method I use

Baseboard  MDF 12mm

Build ground contours with suitable materials, any thing goes here as will not be seen in finished result. Corrugated cardboard works quite well with sections cut out like contour lines on a map. Unless your modelling a rocky area most ground lines follow a shallow incline and avoid drastic changes in contours.

Level of  the `steps` between the ground contours with either papier mache or my favourite strips of paper laid on with watered down PVA glue and a brush (25-75 water-glue). With regards to the paper I`ve found that different grades of paper give different effects. Newsprint general use, Brown wrapping paper for extra strength and gives a nice smooth surface for water effects, Wood chip wallpaper starts the texturing effect.

Next get some sand -beech, building, silver, sharp all have different textures and effects in different scales, the main thing is that it needs to be bone dry, I often dry a batch in a hot oven/grill and store in jars for later use. Also you need a sieve of some kind,  I use a cheap plastic teastrainer with a fine plastic mesh .

Paint an area with undiluted PVA, how big an area you paint comes with practice as the glue must be wet/tacky enough to glue the first layer sieved on using the teastrainer to give a level-ish covering. Add further layers to taste using different sized sands, scenic materials etc. Mix some PVA with water (50_50) adding a few drop of washing up liquid and using an eyedropper go over the whole base gluing down the sceanary ground work.

When dry I usually spray a ground colour on to suit but mix darker /lighter shades into this to give variation in ground colour. Dry brush onto this lighter shades of the original colour and when dry mix some raw umber or yellow ocher oil with white spirit and give an overall wash. *Note*  if your ground colour is enamel paint coat the whole base with a coat of future polish to stop the white spirit lifting your earlier good works, when dry dry brush again and wash etc etc until satisfied with the result. Try dry brushing from a differentb direction on each layer for unsual effect. When you happy with the ground colour it time to start adding the vegitation. Here you can use scenic materials if you wish, but I tend to use a grass green in various shades and dry brush over the ground with a dark green wash in irregular patches.

IF I can get it to load here is a picture of my current work using this method.

 

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