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  • From: New Mexico
Posted by johncpo on Friday, December 29, 2006 2:10 PM

Greetings,

  As I build scale dios for HO RR and 1/35th armor, etc, I have found many methods for both ends of the hobby, model RR water and this, Acrylic caulk and clear glossy Polycrylic coating. Here is the method:

 1.) Using several tubes of acrylic caulk which can be clear or tan, apply the caulk onto the base surface which can be styrofoam as you have used, apply with a putty knife and as the caulk starts to set up (harden) make the waves stand out with a toothpick or small paintbrush. Also you can feature the rotor wash by making circles in the caulk at this stage and making each circle smaller in diameter than the next in toward the Helo.

 2.) Next, let the caulk set up overnight and then paint with acrylic colors appropriate to the sea conditions, the wave tips and froth can be painted white along with the greenish grey of water in the case of your diorama. The reasons for using acyrlic paints are nurmerous as I would point out many advantages to the use, the main one is water solubility and ease of use. These paints come in glossy as well as flat and match any color for a military or RR use, as I have always matched completely for the closest details possible and the cost is a fraction of the bottled- matched paints. Sold as craft paints in many outlets they are numerous and airbrush- usable as well. ( More on that in some of my posts on this forum) Airbrush the paints in this diorama and if you cannot, handpainting with a little water mixed in will work just as well.

  3.) After the paint sceme has completely dried, apply thin coats of the acrylic gloss coating, this will take several applications and look very realistic for any river, swamp and ocean scene. In fact one can use the gloss coat for rivers, swamps and beach landing zones on its own. It dries in about a day and by applying additional coats will look extremely realistic when used over a base color for river bottoms as an example. The gloss acrylic coat will run somewhat but if you dam it up with a framework around your diorama, which I would suggest as it will build up quite nicely to look finished as a photograph would.

  4.) Placing any models in the water should be done as the caulk is setting up and to get a realistic affect be sure to have waves splashing up onto the boat, in your dio. Having been to sea on several ships, as that's what the Navy is all about, I can attest to the fact that the waves can be unforgiving so the diorama should make someone feel the sea-illness effect! (politely put)

 Sorry I have not seen your post before today, but you are on the right track and it does look great, just pitch the cotton and save it for other applications.

 Keep up the great work and let us all know about the results,

 johncpo

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Posted by RonUSMC on Thursday, December 21, 2006 4:40 PM

Watch this video of how this guy creates water. Its amazing. Now... this is in Japanese, but you can tell the products he is using and how he uses them. Its great.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfUgKB1vmCM&mode=related&search=

 

 

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Posted by EdGrune on Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:03 AM
 prowannab wrote:
i took a dremel tool with a barrel sander,then just grinded it wherever,sometimes i thought i was digging way to deep but i think it came out alright,the cotton around the hull was suppose to be splashing water i was alittle leary about it,so i'm going to have to find another way of doing it i really do appreciate everyones insight
Experiment with this. I've used a similar method for making splashes of water. === Replace the cotton with some white polypropylene yarn. Fly tyers use it for putting wings on some of their flys. It is a straight fiber and will not absorb water and matt down. I know you can get it a fly fishing shops - is there a Bass Pro or Cabellas near you? Cut an appropriate length and tease the yarn apart so that it is fibers - not a yarn. Anchor the bottom into the water with some clear acrylic or Future. The white fibers go sort of transparent when they get the acrylic on them and they blend into the base. Leave the tops free so they look more like spray. You can lay on several layers of fibers of varying height for a frothy look or arch them over a bit as a splash. Blend the bottoms of the fibers into the water base with some stippling of white.
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  • From: Warwick, RI
Posted by Kolschey on Monday, December 18, 2006 10:22 PM

The surface and wave effect is excellent. Congratulations!

 

What I might gently suggest is finding a way to make the color work better for the scale. The effect you have is very bold, but I've seen some folks here do things that might help you to improve the realism of the piece.

Water really is a challenge, and you might be pleasantly surprised with the effects that you could yet achive on the vehicles, once you texture them further.

Hope this helps! 

Excellent start. I look forward to seeing more of your work .

Krzysztof Mathews http://www.firstgearterritories.com

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Posted by prowannab on Monday, December 18, 2006 7:54 PM
i took a dremel tool with a barrel sander,then just grinded it wherever,sometimes i thought i was digging way to deep but i think it came out alright,the cotton around the hull was suppose to be splashing water i was alittle leary about it,so i'm going to have to find another way of doing it i really do appreciate everyones insight
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Posted by ygmodeler4 on Monday, December 18, 2006 7:23 PM
The Only thing I see is again the force on the water from the Choppers rotors and the cotton doesn't look that good. But I think it looks excellent. How did you do the water?

-Josiah

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Posted by prowannab on Monday, December 18, 2006 7:22 PM
i made it from styrofoam so it was hard to make the wash plus i couldn't find rough seas and rotor wash still pic so i decided to just stick with the waves,i'm going to try to put a metal rod in the port side aft so it will be somewhat hidden,if you like you can see the jayhawk progress in the helicopter forum but thanks for the incouragement
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Posted by IanIsBored2000 on Monday, December 18, 2006 6:48 PM
I agree, wow!  I love it!  Kenny already picked up on the two things I noticed but otherwise its great.  How will you suspend the chopper in the air?  looking forward to seeing more.
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Posted by kenny_conklin on Monday, December 18, 2006 6:16 PM
that looks really excellent to me it looks like a rough ocean the only thing i see are the cotton you used around the boat i think would look much better if you used the same material as you did on the base. the water looks excellent but if you are going to have the helo hovering above the boat for the rescue you need to add in the rotor wash to the waves it would be in a more circular pattern . you would still have the waves but the added down force of the rotor wash would make it even more choppy. great job please keep us updated on your work.
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waves from jayhawk rescue scene pics
Posted by prowannab on Monday, December 18, 2006 6:08 PM

this is the first installment of my above mentioned dio this is also the first time i tried to do water.so please don't hold back give it to me straight,good bad or indifferent,i appreciate it

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