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Military Railway Yard
Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 11, 2003 6:46 PM
I'm planning on building a large diorama in 1/35th of a German marshalling yard, including a Kriegslok or two, several shunters, large numbers of wagons, and preferably an armoured train, with my Leopold included.

For track and track bed, who is the best to go for, and does anyone make cruved 1/35th track?

And about the wagons, and locos, ny good companies that make them? I know that CMK makes Kriegslok's, and I'll probably get them from there, but for wagons, tank flat's, and armoured train stuff, I haven't been able to find much on the net.

(And I know that when complete this diorama is gonna be huge, several feet by several feet.)
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Posted by Keyworth on Thursday, September 11, 2003 8:57 PM
There's a recent multi-media kit of a period German locomotive-the name unfortunately escapes me. That should do for that portion of the diorama. I'll post the name when I can find it.
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Posted by djmodels1999 on Friday, September 12, 2003 2:04 AM
I thought for a moment you were going to do that scene from Kelly's Heroes when the 3 Shermans come out of the railway tunnel...

Sorry, can't help you with your request...

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 12, 2003 2:49 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by djmodels1999

I thought for a moment you were going to do that scene from Kelly's Heroes when the 3 Shermans come out of the railway tunnel...


That would be a cool scene to model.

Alternatively, anyone know anything about the Leo's bunker's in the Calais region? I've seen a few pics, as well as a drawing showing a front view with the silouette of a Leo, but nothing on it's size, and defences in the vicinity.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 12, 2003 7:05 PM
teddyA theres something about the leo's bunker here http://www.one35th.com/model/k5/k5_frme.htm
are you using your garden as the dioramas base, its gotto be huge
http://www.one35th.com/model/k5/k5_frme.htm
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/gaz/bt.html
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 14, 2003 9:31 PM
Aristo-Craft makes some 1:29 scale trains that run on G scale track(1:22.5). There is no other manufacturer who makes anything that close IMO. Good luck, I am working on a 1/87 scale layout/diorama w/ military base & shipyard.
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Posted by renarts on Monday, September 15, 2003 1:06 AM
Wow, ambitious project. Does it have to be that big? Can you play with forced perspective or crowd the scene to get the same idea across? Remember to make it in sections or you'll end up like the guy that built the boat in his basement. Don't know of too many dios that can handle being upended to fit through a door. Worked on a display for a tradeshow once that was a large diorama of a new launch pad. We had to build it in sections and had to come up wth different ways of disguising the seams. This allowed us to move it around, work on it from differnt angles to where we could reach everything and transport it. After the show though it had to be dismantled because there was no place to display it. We finally compressed it and excluded parts to make a lobby display. (It was a quarter of its original size by then) but the real eye opener came when we had to build a display case for it. $$$$$$$$ is an understatement.

The other thing we realized was that at times we lost steam on the project. We would sit back and shake our heads mumbling about how we made it too grandiose and tried to make too much. It would get discouraging and there were times where we even thought about scrapping the project. It always seemed like too much. There were times when we dreaded working on the project and really dogged it. Conversely there were times when we would get on a roll and look at our watches to see that we had spent most of the night working on it, getting lost in the project.

Big projects can be fun and frustrating at the same time.
I wish you the best of luck in your endeavor and I'm anxious to see how you proceed and the look forward to seeing the finished project.

Mike
Mike "Imagination is the dye that colors our lives" Marcus Aurellius A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 15, 2003 9:58 AM
I'm in the midst of planning it, I'm looking at something on the order of 40 odd square feet, possibly more, possibly less.

I've got some photos of German marshaling yards, but not many, any one have some good ones?
Money, currently is the only stumbling block, but I can plan, and get a few kits when I can. This thing though, will probably take years, so don't expect major pictures soon!
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 15, 2003 9:45 PM
Man thats going to be a big freaken dior. keep us posted with your progress ...
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 16, 2003 10:03 AM
You're probably going to have to buy G scale rail and "hand lay" the track. It's not impossible but requires some extreme planning. The railroad ties and spikes are avilable from several sources. You may do yourself a favor and take the track provided with the Loco Kit to a GOOD model train shop and they can help with the hardware. Good Luck.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 16, 2003 2:54 PM
I've figured it out at about 6" track spacing, based on the Leo, it's track and a wagon kit I just got, so a 6 track yard would be about 3' by 7-8', with extra for unloading facilities for the tanks, etc..., and put a main line through, with part of a station at one end.

Grand total of about 4' by 10', if the diorama is straight, different length and width if it would be curved, which would be easier for perspective.
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Posted by KJ200 on Thursday, September 18, 2003 3:43 AM
Nearest railway modelling scale is Gauge 0 at 7mm to the foot, so about 1/42, which would give a slightly narrower track gauge than the norma European 4' 8.25'', but would be fine for one of the numerous narrow gauge lines throughout Germany. Alternativly rail and sleepers can be bought separately and built by hand, tedious but very realistic.

If you go for G scale it is best to buy the flexible metre lengths, and then bend them to suit your plan, as the pre-curved track is somewhat toylike, and would undermine the rest of your work. A well know make over here in the UK is Peco, not sure what the US equivalent is, possibly LGB from Germany. They also do fully made up points, or switches, dramatically simplifying the track building process.

Excellent loco for this would a Deutches Reichsbahn Kriegslok, built specifically for war work, very big, very impressive.

Best of luck.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 8, 2003 5:47 PM
I recently found out that DML makes some Armoured Train cars they have the Platformwagon, Artilleriewagon, Kommandowagon Gondolacar w/ AA Gun crew. Unfortunatly i can't remember the prices of any.

Good Luck.......Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by cassibill on Monday, November 10, 2003 9:52 AM
If you want track closer to scale you could just use I-beam and bend it. That's what tracks look like any I-beams on boards.
Keep us posted with pics.
Ambition is good, I want to do Pearl Harbor in 1/350 someday!!!!

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 17, 2003 1:57 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by 1-87scaler

Aristo-Craft makes some 1:29 scale trains that run on G scale track(1:22.5).


45mm track is actually correct for 1/32 scale standard gauge trains, so it's not far off (~8%) for 1/35.

I plan on converting the Leopold I'm getting for Xmas for use on my 1/32 garden line, along with the Dragon and whatever other kits I can find.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 17, 2003 7:13 AM
For your railroad rolling stock you might have some success researching Walthers catalogues, Squadron catalogue and for military vehicles the ModelExpo. All of these are listed on the net and each in its own way can be very valuable and if you are looking for terrain and ground cover look at Woodland Scenics as well.
Good luck.
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Posted by mark956 on Monday, November 17, 2003 11:00 AM
Teddy, greatmodels has a tank workshop WW2 german locomotive, but the price is over $300.00 U.S. . Good luck on your build. Keep us posted with your progress.
mark956
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