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Simple but is it affective
Posted by T-rex on Thursday, March 1, 2007 11:00 PM

I'm just starting diramas but I don't know how to do a well made diorama, some of them are simple but are they affective or good.

For instead, this 1/48 Revel corsair is simply on a wooden base I both at Micheals craft and art store, I use Testo's flat gray paint and did whit strips shape by tape, its soppost to be a square area of an aircaft carrier in the pacific

Here the plane.

Another Diorama I made is this 1/72 ground army squarded is my newly build jeep, and some toy soldier for a dollar store, they may be cheap but there still good. Its also a wooden base from Micheals craft and art store, the grass is green foam, and the bushes are. eunh? I don't know want ot is but I bought it from my local hppy shop. orignaly for trains but I think it looks good.

Althought their are my first completed dioramas. good for beginners (I guest) but I need your opinion on how to improve but I'm planning to repair my first diorama ever and what gound vehicule to put on, I'll talk about that another time.

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Posted by Wirraway on Thursday, March 1, 2007 11:56 PM
you might need to make your photos a bit bigger - hard to make out the detail

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Posted by yoyokel on Friday, March 2, 2007 12:01 AM
you need Sheperd Paine's excellent book "How to Build Dioramas"..its pretty easy to find and is one of the best books,if not the best,for understanding the principles behind dioramas. I cannot stress enough how important it is to have this book if you are serious about building dioramas as a hobby. It will answer 95% of your questions concerning the hobby and start you on the path to better Whistling [:-^] dioramas...

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Posted by m1garand on Friday, March 2, 2007 12:55 AM
Sorry, but can't really tell from pictures you have posted. 
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Posted by HeavyArty on Friday, March 2, 2007 7:03 AM
Sign - Ditto [#ditto]Sign - Ditto [#ditto]   Get a better camera first.

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Posted by ajlafleche on Friday, March 2, 2007 7:30 AM
 T-rex wrote:

For instead, this 1/48 Revel corsair is simply on a wooden base I both at Micheals craft and art store, I use Testo's flat gray paint and did whit strips shape by tape, its soppost to be a square area of an aircaft carrier in the pacific

Here the plane.

Unless you're portraying an alternate history setting, your Corsair should be some shade of blue: overall mid blue-gray, overall navy blue, navy blue with white undersurfaces or navy blue upper surfaces, mid blue sides and lilght blue under surfaces. In some cases, ,the under surface of the wing outboard of the wing fold were navy blue. I believe the Korean War night fighters may have been black. The only Corsairs that were natural metal were the prototypr XF4-U. These were signifficantly different from the production version. Some post war US Corsairs were painted white or gull gray and the French painted them dark blue as well while the Brits painted them grey/green over very light blue. The markings, while interesting, also do ot represent a marking I've ever seen on a Corsair.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 2, 2007 5:19 PM

we could use some better pictures. the one with the corsair looks pretty good except for the color problem, but i can barely tell what the other dio's supposed to be at all

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Posted by IYAAYAS on Friday, March 2, 2007 7:23 PM
I'm sure you have a reason the Corsair is that color...as long as your happy don't worry about the others, the photos are not good enough to comment on though...
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Posted by T-rex on Friday, March 2, 2007 7:27 PM

All right takes for the advise, sorry about the photos, I was having some difficulties setting up the photos, there even lucky being show, as for the coirsail, I know that is not in its original paint job but I got this model from New York (intrepeded air and naval museum) and its my best plane model so far, so I made my brother (who a excellent artis) to do a paint job and he did a excellent job as you can see, sometimes I regret the paint job cause its not accurat but I can paint it over anytime with navy sea blue. Here are the pictures bigger.

Post me soon i'm stating some sky scene for my planes.

 

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Posted by HeavyArty on Friday, March 2, 2007 9:17 PM
No, it is still not effective.  Sorry, the pics are still not good enough to comment on.  I can sort of make out that it is a jeep.  I think it is supposed to be a WWII Willis jeep in Vietnam (which is not really accurate), but I am not sure.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 3, 2007 12:38 PM
from what I can make out in the second dio it looks like there are a few soldiers advancing with a jeep except for one guy who is crawling in the opposite direction. why is he doing that?
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Posted by PatlaborUnit1 on Saturday, March 3, 2007 3:08 PM

Hi T-Rex.  Thanks for sharing, it can be daunting to come up with a solid story line when creating a diorama. In all my years building models and attending contests, I have seen few EFFECTIVE, well-presented dioramas (but I have seen many masterful collections of figures and vehicles combined with split-pea cobblestone streets and scratchbuilt buildings).  Most that I have seen simply did not follow the logic that Gino points out in Shep Paines' book series. It is THE reference for how to create what you want a diorama to do, which is:

1: Tell a story that is complete in its concept and creation;

2: Let the viewer understand the STORY, even if the viewer is not necessarily familiar with the particular piece of equipment. (Shep modified his own figures from Hisorex and other sources to get the figures to look and "act" the way he wanted, and got incredible facial expressions that portrayed fear, determination,anger and joy. Now we can largely buy many figures like this pre-made, all we have to do is paint).

As an example, I have never considered a line of  German soldiers walking along beside, say, an Elefant  to be a diorama. Unless there is some other piece of the story being presented that we do not see portrayed on the base plate, then to me it is a large vignette or a setting using figures  combined with the vehicle.  The vast majority of what are called dioramas follow this route, and are not necessarily effective at telling a particular story.  The little details which point out clues that will help a viewer sum up what is going on in the scene (see Sheps book, its full of them) bring the whole idea together.  I dont build armor, but I sure have enjoyed reading that book!

Experiment, lay out your ideas for your next project on paper, and have others look at it to see if they "get it".  Keep trying, it comes with experience! :-) With all this talk of dioramas, I'm going to find it in the boxes, i haven't seen it since we moved and its time to re-read it.  

Good luck!

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Posted by T-rex on Monday, March 5, 2007 2:19 PM

SoapBox [soapbox]Censored [censored]Sign - With Stupid [#wstupid]Banged Head [banghead]Sign - Oops [#oops] Dam it! Dam it! Dam it! This make me look Sign - With Stupid [#wstupid], Dam it! You know what, forget the pictures, I just can't seem to get them focus or enlarge, i'll just put it in detail.

The first image is a Coirsair with custom paint job on a run way.

The other is a buch of toy soliders from a dollar store with a acadamy 1/72 WW2 jeep (type and name unknow, its from a set). Anyway the problem is that those solider only came in 5 position (all in the scene) I didn't had anything else to put in there, maybe I sould put them in a 1/72 airoport scene with one of my many planes.

I needed help with my dioramas so I join the forums and got the help, Thanks for all your adive.

The Coisair mit have a new paint job, just covering it with naval sea blue and then decals, as for the soliders they look more as a war/battle scene not with with a vehicule.

Right now I'm working on a Czeck ruied bulding for a german tank (don't know what maybey for a panter or something else) which does has a story, I called it "Forgotten cities". The only proplem is the wall and stucture of the building look like molds, are they? (I'll try getting pictures of it). I also made a scene that looks like the second image except much larger and better for one of my 1/35 tank.

For now that all fork, Thanks and sorry again.

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Posted by T-rex on Monday, September 17, 2007 12:48 PM

Just want all of you to know that i'm taking down these dio, the corsail will be painted sea blue with a yellow nose maybe white undersurface, but its base will stay. For more info on this corsail look for "americain warplanes, part1 from peace to war"

The other will be scrap, the figures didn't mach the scene, except the willy jeep, it could be useful for a B-24 dio.

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Posted by Sic Semper Tyrannis! on Monday, September 17, 2007 8:34 PM

Shock [:O]

Reading this thread has made my head hurt...

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Posted by m1garand on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 5:50 AM

"Reading this thread has made my head hurt..."

Laugh [(-D]

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Posted by alex2005 on Thursday, October 25, 2007 6:11 PM

yup, I sure hear that... shame about the photos.

Hey here's my two bits... I try to set dioramas up with somewhat more relaxed story lines, with little combat.  Remember what's been said about war, mostly boring with great threats to life 'relatively' infrequently.  Or something like that.  (Hey, this is my impression, no offense Veterans.)  I try to avoid dioramas that have a 'Custer's Last Stand' feel to the story/the moment-in-time the diorama is trying to recreate.  I remember one time looking at a show's display and realizing they're all super-heroic!  Weird.   I try to tell a typical soldier's story.

This is also my way to lighten, or humanize, the warring topics of this hobby.  Soldiers are good people, with many stories to tell. 

About the poses figures come in... often they only come in some sort of pose that has a combat application only (imagine a German soldier hunkered down behind his Panther's turret, when all he's 'doing' (in his plastic world) is riding to the rear for some R+R.  Wouldn't happen, necessarily.)  (It looks like your jeep is in the moddle of an ambush; am I wrong?)

 There's lots of stories in war, be creative is what I'm saying, I guess.  (It's scary to cut up figures to reassemble them in new poses!)

see you later! 

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Posted by ben1227 on Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:08 PM
 T-rex wrote:

SoapBox [soapbox]Censored [censored]Sign - With Stupid [#wstupid]Banged Head [banghead]Sign - Oops [#oops] Dam it! Dam it! Dam it! This make me look Sign - With Stupid [#wstupid], Dam it! You know what, forget the pictures, I just can't seem to get them focus or enlarge, i'll just put it in detail.

The first image is a Coirsair with custom paint job on a run way.

The Coisair mit have a new paint job, just covering it with naval sea blue and then decals, as for the soliders they look more as a war/battle scene not with with a vehicule.

If YOU like the fictional paint job your brother did, great! Keep it if it pleases you, it's your plane to do what you what with it. If you are striving for a historically accurate Corsair, I'd redo the paint scheme.

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