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  • Member since
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  • From: NW Washington
Terrain base question
Posted by dirkpitt77 on Thursday, November 15, 2007 10:38 PM

     Hi guys,

     So, I'm building my first dio using that plaster cloth stuff made by Woodland Scenics.  Last night I built the crumpled paper forms and taped those down on the wooden base, then I layed down the wet plaster cloth over it.  It sat for a day and dried fine.

      My concern is, when I laid it down, I did not get it quite smoothed out as thoroughly as I should have, so there are visible seams where one strip of cloth overlays the next.  Also there are still some holes visible where I did not get the plaster mixture spread well.   Can I mix some more plaster and spread a thin layer to smooth these out?  Or would it be better just to lay down my glue mixture next and go ahead and drop the base terrain material on it, hoping that will cover it up?  My base terrain material is going to be as fine as possible, as it will need to simulate hard packed earth (it's a mountain diorama)

    This is my first serious dio attempt in about 20 years.  The last time did one was when I was about 14, and I used plaster exclusively for that one.  I had issues with the formed plaster shrinking away from the base edges after it dried so it looked awful. Thus, I am leery of using a plaster mixture again in any significant amount.

 

    What would you do?

 

    Thanks so much for your help,

 

    Chris

    "Some say the alien didn't die in the crash.  It survived and drank whiskey and played poker with the locals 'til the Texas Rangers caught wind of it and shot it dead."

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  • From: Newport News VA
Posted by Buddho on Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:01 PM

I wish you the best of luck on your diorama, Dirkpitt. I have done only one dio with plaster and it was a disaster!  I am sure someone here can help you fix this problem.

 Regards, Dan

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Posted by Kykeon on Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:12 PM

I use the plaster bandage technique myself. Here's what I'd do. Mix a somewhat thin slurry of plaster and use it to cover the holes in your base. I use a old, 1/2" wide paint brush and randomly stipple the plaster over the hardened bandages. Before the plaster sets, take a kitchen strainer, tea strainer or piece of window screen and lightly sift dry plaster onto the still wet plaster. This will produce a very fine grained texture when dried, much more realistic than the smooth plaster surface you would get if you don't do this. You can cover this with whatever ground material you wish, but you won't have to worry about covering every inch with it because the textured plaster looks great on it's own, especially for bare rock. I paint with a series of washes, allowing each one to bleed into the others, so that you produce a mottled color effect on the ground work.

This small diorama was made using this technique;

The large sections of bare rock were cast in a Woodland Scenics rock mold, then glued to the hardened plaster bandage. Rubble was glued in various places, then wet plaster was added around it, sprinkled with dry plaster, allowed to dry and painted.

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Posted by IYAAYAS on Friday, November 16, 2007 7:29 AM

To answer your question, yes you can place the plain mixed plaster over top.  Get it as smooth as possible using a popsicle stick or other flat surface.  When nearly dry take a large fine haired brush, dip it in some water and "smooth" your surface.  Wait about 10 mins the do it again.  When dry smooth it even more with fine grit sand paper. 

This technic will achieve a baby smooth surface. 

If you want to "rough it up" a little, leave a little plaster mix (about 1/4 to 1/2 in depth) in a flat tin or paper plate.  Wait till it's completely dry, then break it off in random chunks, attach these chunks in random patterns on your flat surface.  Brush some wet plaster to fill in the gaps.

Just another tip I learned from my model railroading days. 

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  • From: NW Washington
Posted by dirkpitt77 on Friday, November 16, 2007 8:43 AM

     Great tips guys.  Thanks!

       I may make a test base to try these on before I do the real thing.  This is going to call for a little experimentation.

     Wait, what about grass?  I will be needing to add some shin length or knee length grass  (1/48 or 1/35 scale figures).   Would  you do this when the plaster is wet so I can just jab clumps of grass in?  Or should I wait and glue it on after the plaster has dried?

 

    Ok, I think I'm done bothering everyone now.  At least for a little bit.  Thanks again!

 

  Chris

    "Some say the alien didn't die in the crash.  It survived and drank whiskey and played poker with the locals 'til the Texas Rangers caught wind of it and shot it dead."

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  • From: AusTx, Live Music Capitol of the World
Posted by SteveM on Friday, November 16, 2007 6:37 PM

I'd plant the grass after I've painted the plaster. That alliteration was even hard to type, much less say.

Steve

 

 

Steve M.

On the workbench: ginormous Kharkov dio

 

  • Member since
    January 2007
Posted by IYAAYAS on Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:51 AM
Yep wait till after you've painted/treated the plaster. You can form grass "clumps" using two part putty (I use AVES) or even clay.  The attach the "clumps" using white glue.  Using a micro drill to drill holes in the plaster will also work, but thats a lot of work.
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