SEARCH FINESCALE.COM

Enter keywords or a search phrase below:

Confederate States Air Force Mirage F-1

13260 views
52 replies
1 rating 2 rating 3 rating 4 rating 5 rating
  • Member since
    February 2003
  • From: Cameron, Texas
Confederate States Air Force Mirage F-1
Posted by Texgunner on Sunday, May 22, 2011 4:02 PM

What if?  What if the Confederate States of America had survived the American Civil War?  What if the CSA had survived right up into the present?  Well, that's the premise behind this aircraft.  I created a scenario in which today's CSA co-exists with the USA here in the 21st Century.  For brevity's sake, I won't bore everyone with the whole story, but I envisioned CSAF squadrons that were named for Confederate war heroes.  I imagined four Maritime Air Stations; Norfolk, Charleston, Tampa and Biloxi, Miss.  These squadrons are named after famous cavalry commanders of the Civil War.  This CSAF Mirage F-1 is assigned to the Nathan B. Forrest Squadron based at Biloxi.  Their primary mission is anti-ship interdiction.  My "what if" Confederacy requires imported aircraft due to an aircraft industry that still hasn't reached maturity, nor any sort of parity with their neighbor, the United States.  In these pictures, we see a CSAF Mirage F-1 at a small airfield in the Republic of Texas (yes, there's a "what if" story there too, lol.  At some point in the future we may see a Republic of Texas Vampire), making an unscheduled lay-over for some unspecified reason.

I guess I might flesh out my what if scenario a bit.  A negotiated cease-fire, and subsequent, somewhat uneasy peace, left the United States and the Confederacy sharing what had been the USA.  A continuing reliance on agriculture still retarded economic growth and manufacturing technology in the CSA.  Faced with a long coastline to defend, the Confederacy, with its new capital in Atlanta, turned wary eyes seaward and made maritime vigilance both a priority and a tradition.

Texas seceded from the Confederacy in the early 20th century over economic issues and concerns about the intrusive reach of the Confederate government.  I'm still working out how this event plays out geographically, with current possibilities including Texas "annexation" of Oklahoma and possibly a Republic of Texas reach for Pacific ports (and all that that might entailWink).

Confederate forces have been involved in several incidences in the recent past.  These would include clashes with Venezuela and Cuba in the Gulf and Caribbean as well as joint missions conducted with Republic of Texas forces against insurgents/narco-terrorists in Mexico.  The Maritime Air Stations share defense of the coast and other airbases throughout the interior of the South maintain bomber and interceptor squadrons.  The choice of the Mirage F-1 for the role shown here was based on economy, simplicity and of course availability.   France had been a supporter of the Confederacy from its beginning and provided various models for purchase by the CSA.  The United Kingdom is the other major aircraft supplier for Confederate needs, having sold Hawker Hunters to the South as their first high-performance jet fighter.

The kit is the Italeri Mirage F-1 in 1/48 scale.  The Exocet she's carrying came from the Monogram Mirage 2000, the rails and Sidewinders from an old Testor's F-18 and the drop tank from something long forgotten, and modified for its role here.  I guess I might mention an experiment of sorts.  I dipped the canopy in Future colored with MM teal acrylic to get a tinted look.  It worked alright here but the first test canopy from the scrap pile actually looked much better.  Oh well.  I learned a new trick, thanks Swanny!  The low-viz markings were created by me and drawn by my son on an Autocad program and I printed them on our home printer.  Primary colors are Humbrol enamels, Gull Gray and Lt. Ghost Gray.


"All you mugs need to get busy building, and post pics!"

  • Member since
    March 2003
  • From: Western North Carolina
Posted by Tojo72 on Sunday, May 22, 2011 4:12 PM

Pretty cool concept,the British and French were sympathetic towards the south, reminds me of those Harry Turtledove novels,and a great looking build.

  • Member since
    February 2011
  • From: San Antonio
Posted by MAJ Mike on Sunday, May 22, 2011 4:55 PM

Hah!  I love it!!  Maybe I'll do a LeClerc tank in Republic of Texas colors.  Hadn't thought of that until you posted these photos.  The markings are supurb.  How'd you do them?

 

 

 "I'd "I'd rather be historically accurate than politically correct."

"Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc!"

  • Member since
    June 2008
  • From: Iowa
Posted by Hans von Hammer on Sunday, May 22, 2011 5:13 PM

Ya had me right up to "Mirage", lol...

  • Member since
    February 2003
  • From: Cameron, Texas
Posted by Texgunner on Sunday, May 22, 2011 11:18 PM

 

Thanks Anthony!  Major Mike, I used Microscale paper I believe, and Microscale liquid film to make the decals.  I played around with several ideas for the roundels and knew I wanted them low visibility.  I found the Confederate battle flag somewhere on the 'net and my son used his CAD training to "draw" the images for the roundels and the squadron script and large stencils.  I printed them on an HP Photosmart printer.

 

Hans von Hammer

Ya had me right up to "Mirage", lol...

Oh yeah, and you Hans, you don't like jets right?  Especially gray jets?  Maybe a CSAF Hurricane or Typhoon would be more to your liking, lol.

Thanks, Gary.


"All you mugs need to get busy building, and post pics!"

  • Member since
    February 2011
  • From: San Antonio
Posted by MAJ Mike on Monday, May 23, 2011 6:17 AM

Thanks for the info about the decals.  I've been searching the net for articles regarding "homemade" decals and I've printed a significant pile of paper. 

I've got a Tamiya British Challenger in the 20+ year old stash.  Could fun to build it into a Republic of Texas vehicle, maybe assigned to the "John Bell Hood" Tank Division.  Use a light grey base coat with a tan camo pattern.  This will be fun.  Think I'll give it a whirl after I finish the GB's I've committed to.

 

 

 

 "I'd "I'd rather be historically accurate than politically correct."

"Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc!"

  • Member since
    February 2003
  • From: Cameron, Texas
Posted by Texgunner on Monday, May 23, 2011 6:35 AM

MAJ Mike, that sounds like a capital idea!  That's the spirit!  I keep several "scenarios" like that running through my brain.  I wrote a short story years ago, about an Me-262 Luftwaffe pilot based in northern Mexico in a whole 'nother "what-if" WWII.  A 262 in desert camo, dog-fights along the Rio Grande...lol, obviously, it's easy for me to get carried away.  But, I'm looking forward to seeing that Challenger with the Lone Star!

Gary


"All you mugs need to get busy building, and post pics!"

  • Member since
    February 2011
  • From: San Antonio
Posted by MAJ Mike on Monday, May 23, 2011 7:10 AM

Thanks.  The Challenger could be a license-built vehicle built in Dallas-Ft. Worth or Houston.  When I was in the Texas Army National Guard, I was a staff officer for the 1st Brigade "Hood's Brigade" 49th Armored Division.  Yep, lots of opportunity here.

Have a good week.

 

 

 "I'd "I'd rather be historically accurate than politically correct."

"Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc!"

  • Member since
    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Monday, May 23, 2011 8:01 AM

Texgunner: Love the idea and she's a beautiful model. I really love the 'low viz' stars and bars you used, awesome idea!

Gee, I'm up to my eyeballs in GBs right now but if anyone were to pick this up as a GB I'd have no choice but to enter. Am thinking a J.E.B. Stuart Tornado out of Langley, Virginia or a CSN Rafale out of Norfolk would be really cool.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

  • Member since
    February 2003
  • From: Cameron, Texas
Posted by Texgunner on Monday, May 23, 2011 8:18 AM

Thanks Gamera!  You got the idea now.   Maybe a  Harrier in 3-color camo?  Oh, the possibilities are intriguing.  And, I like your suggestion of a GB.   Tornadoes, Rafale (actually, I considered a Rafale as my first choice here),  there are lot's of cool Euro 'planes available.

Gary


"All you mugs need to get busy building, and post pics!"

  • Member since
    March 2010
  • From: Democratic Peoples Republic of Illinois
Posted by Hercmech on Monday, May 23, 2011 9:08 AM

Pretty cool build and I love the photos.


13151015

  • Member since
    June 2008
  • From: Iowa
Posted by Hans von Hammer on Monday, May 23, 2011 9:34 AM

Texgunner
 

 Hans von Hammer:

Ya had me right up to "Mirage", lol...

 

Oh yeah, and you Hans, you don't like jets right?  Especially gray jets?  Maybe a CSAF Hurricane or Typhoon would be more to your liking, lol.

LOL, no sweat, Gary.. It wasn't that it was a jet, lol... Just couldn't bring m'self to suspend the disbelief that any self-respecting Texas pilot would fly a French jet, lol..  Jets themselves are ok, I just don't build them anymore, except for the late WW2 and Korean War-era stuff.. Vietnam-era jets with the SE Asia Camouflage look ok too...

 North American Aviation had a plant located in Dallas, if that's a hint... Maybe the owners defected in the 1930s?

  • Member since
    February 2003
  • From: Cameron, Texas
Posted by Texgunner on Monday, May 23, 2011 9:43 AM

"North American Aviation had a plant located in Dallas"

Ahh, yes, but that's in our reality Hans.   I don't think that plant was located in DFW in the Republic I've envisioned, lol.  That Republic seceeded from the CSA long ago.  Yeah, Texas pilots might insist on Brit jets.  They used to buy a lot of Texas cotton ya know?

Gary


"All you mugs need to get busy building, and post pics!"

  • Member since
    June 2008
  • From: Iowa
Posted by Hans von Hammer on Monday, May 23, 2011 10:05 AM

Oh well.. But the NAA AT-6 was the "Texan"... I was just tryin' to work that in there, lol.. I'm a Native Texan m'self (From Bastrop).. I only live in Iowa (Which means "I Oughtta Went to Austin")...

  • Member since
    February 2011
  • From: San Antonio
Posted by MAJ Mike on Monday, May 23, 2011 10:18 AM

As I recall, LTV (Ling Tempco Vaught) had a plant in the Dallas area in the 1960's.  I think they built the Navy's Corsair II.

 

 

 "I'd "I'd rather be historically accurate than politically correct."

"Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc!"

  • Member since
    March 2010
  • From: Democratic Peoples Republic of Illinois
Posted by Hercmech on Monday, May 23, 2011 10:22 AM

General Dynamics also built the F16 in Fort Worth. From global security.org:

Air Force Plant 4 was opened in 1941. It was operated by the Fort Worth Division of Consolidated Aircraft Company (later Convair) for assembly of the B-24 bomber. In 1942, during World War II, Air Force Plant 4 became operational when Consolidated Aircraft began manufacturing the B-24 Liberator bomber. Over 3,000 B-24s were constructed in the first 2 years of operation. Later, the plant produced 124 B-32s, the successor to the B-24. Later, the plant began producing aircraft components, as well as delivering completed aircraft.

Many innovative aircraft were produced at AFP 4, including the first intercontinental bomber (B-361, the first supersonic bomber (B-58), and the first swing-wing aircraft (F-111). In 1953, General Dynamics took over operation of the manufacturing facility. Since then, Air Force Plant 4 has produced the B-36, B-58, F-111 and F-16 aircraft. Between 1947 and 1954, 383 B-36s were built, and afterwards the Mach-2-capable B-58. By 1966, the plant had expanded to 4.7 million square feet, and by 1968 it had expanded further to 6.5 million square feet, to accommodate production of the F-111.

As of the end of the Cold War, the plant was fabricating, assembling, and testing the F-16 fighter for the USAF and 10 allied nations. In March 1992, Lockheed, Inc. took over operation of the facility to produce F-16 and F-22 aircraft components. Additionally, the plant produces spare aircraft parts, radar units, and missile components.


13151015

  • Member since
    February 2011
  • From: San Antonio
Posted by MAJ Mike on Monday, May 23, 2011 10:27 AM

I forgot about the F-16 plant.  When the first F-16 was rolled out, a neighbor, COL. Bill Chick USAF (ret) was invited as a VIP to the unveiling.  COL Chick was a WWII P-47 Ace and General Dynamics invites a large group of fighter pilots to witness the unveiling.  The idea was that the F-16 was the USAF's first true fighter design in decades.

Hmmm, maybe this Republic of Texas stuff has something to it afterall.

 

 

 "I'd "I'd rather be historically accurate than politically correct."

"Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc!"

  • Member since
    February 2003
  • From: Cameron, Texas
Posted by Texgunner on Monday, May 23, 2011 10:43 AM

Dang, it's a small world Hans!  My daughter-in-law is from Bastrop, and several years ago my son bought his '67 Camaro from a scoundrel, uh, I mean, gentleman, in Bastrop. Sad  Are you anywhere near the flooding Mississippi?


"All you mugs need to get busy building, and post pics!"

  • Member since
    January 2003
  • From: Spokane, WA
Posted by rbkep on Monday, May 23, 2011 11:31 AM

What a great looking build! Also, absolutely LOVE the "What-if" theme! I think it's a great exercise in imagination to see what people come up with. Thanks for sharing and re-sparking the what-if interest!

  • Member since
    January 2009
  • From: San Antonio
Posted by paintsniffer on Monday, May 23, 2011 12:56 PM

MAJ Mike

As I recall, LTV (Ling Tempco Vaught) had a plant in the Dallas area in the 1960's.  I think they built the Navy's Corsair II.

 

Someone more familiar with the DFW area can correct me on this, but that might have been the plant at Carswell that was once Convair (home of the B-36) and until recently made F-16s and soon F-35s. I am sure there were other projects in that lineage.

 

Edit: Oops, it pays to pay attention to that number 2 at the bottom of the page before replying.

Excuse me.. Is that an Uzi?

  • Member since
    June 2008
  • From: Iowa
Posted by Hans von Hammer on Monday, May 23, 2011 3:57 PM

Texgunner

Dang, it's a small world Hans!  My daughter-in-law is from Bastrop, and several years ago my son bought his '67 Camaro from a scoundrel, uh, I mean, gentleman, in Bastrop. Sad  Are you anywhere near the flooding Mississippi?

No flooding this year, no.. Most of the flooding problems are well South of my area, and I'm a long way from the Ol' Muddy anyway, smack-dab in the midle of Iowa....

Yeah, Bastrop's my hometown (much an Air Force Brat can have one. Dad was flying RF-4s outta Bergstrom when he retired from the USAF in '71 and we stayed), although I haven't lived their since 1976...  We lived on the South end of town, cause everyone on the North side of the Colorado River was a Yankee, lol..

  • Member since
    February 2003
  • From: Cameron, Texas
Posted by Texgunner on Monday, May 23, 2011 4:12 PM

Man, those RF-4 Phantoms out of Bergstrom used to fly over my hometown, Cameron, down on the deck!  I've seen them so low that the white helmets were easily visible in the cockpit.   Manys the time that I'd run outside to get a glimpse when I'd hear them coming.  And, you could sure hear them coming!  I miss that.  One of them might've had your dad at the wheel.

Gary


"All you mugs need to get busy building, and post pics!"

  • Member since
    June 2008
  • From: Iowa
Posted by Hans von Hammer on Monday, May 23, 2011 4:39 PM

Wow.. If you remember white helmets, then you very well coulda seen the Old Man...

  • Member since
    July 2007
  • From: Southern New Jersey
Posted by troublemaker66 on Monday, May 23, 2011 5:52 PM

You Southern Boys` just can`t let it go...can ya ?   Big SmileStick out tongueCowboy

Len Pytlewski

  • Member since
    February 2011
  • From: San Antonio
Posted by MAJ Mike on Monday, May 23, 2011 5:58 PM

troublemaker66

You Southern Boys` just can`t let it go...can ya ?   Big SmileStick out tongueCowboy

Yeah, we in Texas missed our chance in 1991.  Ft. Hood was a ghost town with all III Corps deployed to the sandbox.  Ft. Bliss had deployed the 3rd ACR and all their MLRS and Patriot batteries -- the Luftwaffe AAA school wouldn't have been a problem and that Bundeswher Leopard battalion would've only added to our inventory of weapons..  Ft. Sam Houston was just docs and MP's.  We could'a taken over while all the Yankee Occupation forces were in Saudi.

(sigh) Timing is everything. Wink

 

 

 "I'd "I'd rather be historically accurate than politically correct."

"Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc!"

  • Member since
    September 2009
  • From: Guam
Posted by sub revolution on Monday, May 23, 2011 6:17 PM

That is probably the most thought out and creative "what-if" build I have ever seen! I love it! I think your Confederate what-if scenario would be an awesome group build, but it would have to wait a while before I could do it. Hope to see more builds like this!

NEW SIG

  • Member since
    February 2003
  • From: Cameron, Texas
Posted by Texgunner on Monday, May 23, 2011 8:14 PM

Thanks for the kind words!  The plane was finished for several weeks while I waited for the wind to stop blowing so hard around here.  No kidding, I tried last week but the Mirage was just too light.   I was afraid that a gust would send it flying so I went home.  Sunday, out of desperation really, lol, I parked my Isuzu Trooper as a wind break and set up the photo table beside it.  There was only one close call with the wind.

I guess I might flesh out my what if scenario a bit.  A negotiated cease-fire, and subsequent, somewhat uneasy peace, left the United States and the Confederacy sharing what had been the USA.  A continuing reliance on agriculture still retarded economic growth and manufacturing technology in the CSA.  Faced with a long coastline to defend, the Confederacy, with its new capital in Atlanta, turned wary eyes seaward and made maritime vigilance both a priority and a tradition.

Texas seceded from the Confederacy in the early 20th century over economic issues and concerns about the intrusive reach of the Confederate government.  I'm still working out how this event plays out geographically, with current possibilities including Texas "annexation" of Oklahoma and possibly a Republic of Texas reach for Pacific ports (and all that that might entailWink).

Confederate forces have been involved in several incidences in the recent past.  These would include clashes with Venezuela and Cuba in the Gulf and Caribbean as well as joint missions conducted with Republic of Texas forces against insurgents/narco-terrorists in Mexico.  The Maritime Air Stations share defense of the coast and other airbases throughout the interior of the South maintain bomber and interceptor squadrons.  The choice of the Mirage F-1 for the role shown here was based on economy, simplicity and of course availability.   France had been a supporter of the Confederacy from its beginning and provided various models for purchase by the CSA.  The United Kingdom is the other major aircraft supplier for Confederate needs, having sold Hawker Hunters to the South as their first high-performance jet fighter.

It's fun to play these "what if" games with history.  I've found that concocting these silly scenarios does really open up the creativity for me.  I like to build one of these fictional planes from time to time and I hope these pics, and story might persuade someone else to do one too.

Gary


"All you mugs need to get busy building, and post pics!"

  • Member since
    July 2008
  • From: South of france
Posted by Vit13 on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 9:41 AM

Bonjour Gary ,

Big Smile Very funny to see a Mirage F-1 in these colours.

Your "what-if" model is very good.

Yes

 

  • Member since
    February 2003
  • From: Cameron, Texas
Posted by Texgunner on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 10:47 AM

Vit13

Bonjour Gary ,

Big Smile Very funny to see a Mirage F-1 in these colours.

Your "what-if" model is very good.

Yes

 

 Merci beaucoup monsieur!

Gary


"All you mugs need to get busy building, and post pics!"

  • Member since
    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 12:11 PM

Gary:

I like the idea of a CSN Harrier, that would be a cool looking a/c indeed.

And though I'm assuming it doesn't track with your 'what if' scenerio I've been thinking what if several of the more powerful plains Indian tribes had took advantage of the chaos to form their own nation somewhere in the southwest? An Indian Federation 'Crazy Horse Squadron' F-5 would be cool...

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

JOIN OUR COMMUNITY!

Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account.

SEARCH FORUMS
FREE NEWSLETTER
By signing up you may also receive reader surveys and occasional special offers. We do not sell, rent or trade our email lists. View our Privacy Policy.