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F-102 Delta Dagger Questions
Posted by Silverbird01 on Saturday, February 22, 2003 7:21 PM
I'm currently building Monograms 1/48 Delta Dagger (Case X )in an early scheme,1959-1961 era. What is the correct color to paint the inside of the air intakes? I have posted this question on other websites and have received some different but good answers.
Some people say white,others say light gray and others still say bare metal. I'm getting confused!

I had one person send me a photo of the right side intake and it appeared that the color was grayish metal. I am sure that later in their life, white was used as with many Air National Guard planes. Can any retired Air Force/Guard members out there give me the benefit of their experience with the '102?

Also, concerning the cockpit color, everyone says to use Dark Gull Gray. This color(Modelmaster) seems a bit to dark for me using the photo's in Detail & Scale. Any suggestions on this??
I would really appreciate any and all help I can get. I'm working on the model slowly so I can paint it correctly.

Thanks!!
Steven
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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Saturday, February 22, 2003 8:43 PM
I recently completed the reissue version of this kit and had the same Question. The scheme I built had polished aluminum on the forward outer portion of the ducts, so I finally decided to paint the interior a darker shade of aluminum. A good freind of mine flew this bird in th ANG and he remembered the interior as being white, but he also flew F4-Cs and F-16s so I didn't trust his memory. Photos I have are not conclusive but I decided white was incorrect. As for the cokpit, I used Dark Gull Gray with a darker gray wash and then dry brushed with a lightened gray to bring out detail and give a slightly worn effect. Final result was very good. Hope this didn't confuse you more!
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Posted by berny13 on Sunday, February 23, 2003 9:58 AM
The inside of the intakes was gloss white. However the big "Bug Suckers" discolored the white to an off white. Here is what I did with my model. Mix one part FS 36366 to five parts white to give it that dirty look. If you are building a factory fresh Delta Dagger use gloss white or mix a lighter color to dirty the white.
Dark gull gray is the correct color for the cockpit.

Berny

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Posted by Silverbird01 on Sunday, February 23, 2003 9:59 AM
Thanks for the reply. I agree,the photo's available seem to show up as bare metal after the polished leading edge of the intake. I think I will go this way with it. I will try your method for the cockpit. Using the lighter gray to highlight the details sounds good. White is way too much of a contrast for the dark gull gray. I'm heading in the right direction now. Appreciate the help!

Steven
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Posted by Silverbird01 on Sunday, February 23, 2003 10:08 AM
Berny13,
Off-white?? Like I posted above, the photo's of the period show the intakes to be a "light" color. I didn't think it was white but I'm not sure! I have never seen a '102 in person so I can't really say what the color was. How can such a simple thing be so complicated!!(Lol).
Dark gull gray for the cockpit...............Sounds like a plan to me.
Thank you,
Steven
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Posted by berny13 on Sunday, February 23, 2003 10:20 AM
I hope we are not confusing intake splitter plate with intake interior. The inside of the intakes was gloss white. After the model is completed you can't see that much into the intakes. The gloss white got dirty and stained over time. At times it would look gray with all the bugs it would suck down the intakes. The splitter plate or boundry air splitter was painted the same as the aircraft with the leading edge natural metal. The intake lip was natural metal. One other thing, the 16th stage bleed air duct on the right side of the fuselage, fill it in and sand it. On the real aircraft the BAD was on the left side only.

Berny

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TF-102A Delta Dagger, 32nd FIS, 54-1370, 1/48 scale. Monogram Pro Modeler with C&H conversion.  

Revell F-4E Phantom II 33rd TFW, 58th TFS, 69-260, 1/32 scale. 

Tamiya F-4D Phantom II, 13th TFS, 66-8711, 1/32 scale.  F-4 Phantom Group Build. 

 

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Posted by Silverbird01 on Sunday, February 23, 2003 10:53 AM
Berny13,
My questions have been aimed at the interior of the intake itself, not the splitter.
I see your point now. With age the white turned into a very light gray. This sounds about right and fits in with what I have seen in the pictures. This is what I wanted to know.
16th stage bleed air duct(???) Exactly where is this located? There is a small slot on the rear of the left fuselage but not one on the right side. Am I looking at the right place? Please let me know. Sounds like you have some experience with the '102's!

Steven
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Posted by berny13 on Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:01 AM
The first release by Monogram had the BAD on both sides. I just checked my un built kit of the later release and it does not have the BAD on the right side. They corrected this mistake. You most likely have the later release so it is correct. The BAD is above where the buzz numbers go. Yes, I was a Crew Chief on the F-102 from '62-'67.

Berny

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TF-102A Delta Dagger, 32nd FIS, 54-1370, 1/48 scale. Monogram Pro Modeler with C&H conversion.  

Revell F-4E Phantom II 33rd TFW, 58th TFS, 69-260, 1/32 scale. 

Tamiya F-4D Phantom II, 13th TFS, 66-8711, 1/32 scale.  F-4 Phantom Group Build. 

 

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Posted by Silverbird01 on Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:34 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by berny13

The first release by Monogram had the BAD on both sides. I just checked my un built kit of the later release and it does not have the BAD on the right side. They corrected this mistake. You most likely have the later release so it is correct. The BAD is above where the buzz numbers go. Yes, I was a Crew Chief on the F-102 from '62-'67.


Thank you so much for your assistance and experience! Now I can get this bird built right!!
Steven
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Posted by berny13 on Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:41 AM
If you have any more questions that I might help you with, you can post them here or contact me at berny13@aol.com. Happy modeling.

Berny

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TF-102A Delta Dagger, 32nd FIS, 54-1370, 1/48 scale. Monogram Pro Modeler with C&H conversion.  

Revell F-4E Phantom II 33rd TFW, 58th TFS, 69-260, 1/32 scale. 

Tamiya F-4D Phantom II, 13th TFS, 66-8711, 1/32 scale.  F-4 Phantom Group Build. 

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 23, 2003 2:10 PM
I found a couple of photos you may find helpful. The inside of the air intake looks to me like it is light gray.










http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/index.html
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Posted by Silverbird01 on Sunday, February 23, 2003 7:35 PM
Thanks for the pictures Tank!! Those look great! The intakes appear to be in an off-white shade. The FANG bird shows it real well behind the dark metal intake lip.You can see it on the inside. Again, Thanks for the pic's. I really appreciate it.

Steven
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Posted by berny13 on Sunday, February 23, 2003 9:01 PM
I think you are looking at part of the splitter plate in fromt of the intake. In both photographs, I can't see down the intake. The static display aircraft looks like the inside is painted silver which would be the wrong color. Remember, static display aircraft are not painted like the operational aircraft. During the '62-'67 time frame they were white. After SEA camo was applied, I would not even try to guess what color the intakes were.

Berny

 Phormer Phantom Phixer

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TF-102A Delta Dagger, 32nd FIS, 54-1370, 1/48 scale. Monogram Pro Modeler with C&H conversion.  

Revell F-4E Phantom II 33rd TFW, 58th TFS, 69-260, 1/32 scale. 

Tamiya F-4D Phantom II, 13th TFS, 66-8711, 1/32 scale.  F-4 Phantom Group Build. 

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 24, 2003 6:36 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Silverbird01

Thanks for the pictures Tank!


Glad to be of service. A good way to find pictures of aircraft on the ineternet is to go to http://www.google.com/ and click on 'Images'. Then type in what you are looking for. In this case I typed in 'f-102 aircraft'.

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