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About a P&W R-2800 late version engine...
Posted by mandrake on Tuesday, December 9, 2003 9:44 PM
Hello fellas, i just bought this Aires engine (P&W R-2800 late version), is a pretty nice resin kit, but i need some references, you know some pics that i can see in order for me to add a little more detail on this one. i have visited the Aires website but the pics are not that good, so please if someone out there have some pics and stuff dont hesitate, thanks in advance.

My very best regards and merry christmas! Big Smile [:D]
Hector.
Thanks! My Best Regards Hector Reymundo
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Posted by weebles on Tuesday, December 9, 2003 9:59 PM
Are you putting this into a Corsair? Check out Jerry Zollman's web site. They're restoring a Corsair and have some nice engine detail shots.
Dave

http://www.bentwings.com/home.htm
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Posted by mandrake on Tuesday, December 9, 2003 11:08 PM
Negative Dave, i am gonna put this into an A-26 Invader, that website is very cool and pretty helpful thanks a lot, do you know somewhere else to get more pics? i am curious about the exhaust pipes and overall wiring. Smile [:)]

Thanks
merry christmas
Regards
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Thanks! My Best Regards Hector Reymundo
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Posted by weebles on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 9:08 AM
Well, I really don't have a good web lead for the A-26. You can get the following book from Amazon which should have good detail information for you. Might be worth the bucks to grab one.
Best of luck!
Dave
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Posted by mandrake on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 12:43 PM
Hey Dave and what is the name of the book? A-26 only? i have found some pics on the web but they do not show the entire pipe lines nor wiring, i cant get to see them completely, i dont know if the exahust pipe lines in the front row come from the left or from the right, i have noticed that the rear pipe lines comes from the right "hole" in the cylinder head... i´ll keep looking and requesting assistance...
Thanks! My Best Regards Hector Reymundo
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Posted by John P on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 2:52 PM
Ah, Google.

http://www.fine-art-models.com/e/model/aircraft/corsair/thumbsPW.htm
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/engines/eng34.htm
http://www.shanaberger.com/engines/R-2800.htm
http://www.arkairmuseum.org/doublewasp2.html
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Posted by weebles on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 5:56 PM
Wow, my link vanished and the site that hosts my photos is nowhere to be found???

Let's try again. Author is Frederick A. Johnsen. This is one of a series of tech books. I have one for the Corsair and it's pretty good. If you have problems with the link just go to Amazon.com and do a search for "A-26 Invader". Good luck!

Dave

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1580070167/qid=1071100738/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/002-5455828-6205665?v=glance&n=507846
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Posted by Silverback on Friday, December 12, 2003 9:56 PM
Mandrake:
The best reference, bar none, on the R-2800(all versions) is "R-2800 - Pratt & Whitney's Dependable Masterpiece" by Graham White, published by SAE International, ISBN 0-7680-0272-9. Its available thru Historic Aviation (www.historicaviation.com). Its a bit pricey at US$59.95, but I feel the wealth of information makes it a bargain.Big Smile [:D]
Also, "B-26 Invader Units over Korea" by Warren Thompson (Osprey Aviation Frontline Colour #4, ISBN 1-84176-080-3) has some good engine shots, as well as a bonanza of other shots of operational aircraft, all in color (or colour, as may be your preference). At US$19.95, its a bit more affordable.Cool [8D]

HTH
Phil Schenfeld
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Posted by qmiester on Saturday, December 13, 2003 12:54 AM
Hector
For about 10 years I worked for an air tanker operation and for about 6 of those years we operated eight A-26s.
The pictures in the sites that John P reccommends give you a good look at the wiring system for the ignition. However, in all the pictures, the Bendix mag is installed. The two round objects at the top of the nose case are the distributors and the large black object between them is the magneto. In otherwords a single magneto with two distributors (They are a real pain in the rear to time to the engine). The -21 version has this type of ignition.

However all the A-26s I have seen or worked on, were equipped with the -71 version of the R-2800. The only difference between the two dashes are the magnetos installed, with the -71 having GE mags instead of Bendix. The GE system consists of two seperate magneto/distributor units with the central mag location covered with a plate.
The shape is rather hard to describe as they are not round or square but somewhat heart shaped with two hook shaped arms at the back to plug into the ignition harness. GE mags much easier to install and maintain. Also note in the WPAFB photos, just forward of the magneto, there is a square plate. On the -71s we operated the propellor govenor was located there with the control line running back between the magnetos and between the #2 and #14 cylinders.

The exhaust presents some problems. Unlike other radial engine installations (P-47, F4U, B-26 etc) which used a "ring/modified ring" exhaust, the A-26 used 9 "jet" exhausts, each a single piece unit serving 1 front cylinder and 1 rear cylinder. Four exhaust ports on each unit was vented aft, just below and slightly aft of the cowl flaps. Closest thing I have seen resembling it is the FW190 system. They attached with clamps to the cylinder exhaust pipe on the rear cylinder and, until we fabricated a simple reinforcement system utilizing a 2" exhaust clamp and a 6" strap to the rear cylinder head, they gave us fits. Between vibration and backfires, sooner or later you would look up and where there was supposed to be an exhaust pipe, there would just an empty space under the cowl flaps. Followed by about 8 hrs of really hard work replacing the rear row cylinder. Seems the exhaust pipe on that cylinder always pulled out, so it had to be replaced.

Other than an A-26 maintenance manual, not sure where you will find a picture of the system.

Wow - got a little long winded, but hope it helps
Quincy
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Posted by Melgyver on Monday, December 15, 2003 3:08 PM
Mandrake,

What era and markings are you making your A-26. I don't think any WW II birds had the late split case type engines and I don't recall many of the Korean birds having them either. I have seen the Vietnam era A-26 with the late split case engines but then most were the K's with the bigger props. But then again nothings impossilbe! It's your model and build it for yourself! It seems like "deja vu". I have made a couple statements before and was "wrong"!

Clear Left!

Mel

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 9:36 PM
Mandrake,

Here are a couple of more sites for you to visit:

http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/AWA1/301-400/walk374_PnW_R-2800/walk374.htm

http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/AWA1/301-400/walk375_PnW_R-2800_8w/walk375.htm

Also for general info the following site has some really good stuff:

http://www.philsaeronauticalstuff.com/a-26b/a-26b.html

Additionally, I have a couple of personal pics of my dad's plane in Korea that show some detial of the engine mounted on the wing. I can try and scan them for you if you still need more photos.

I'm working on a very similar project to what sounds like you're doing. I'm collecting all of the parts and info to do a 'best effort' model of the plane my dad flew on during the Korean War.

I'd be happy to exchange info sources and detial parts ideas with you.

PLMK if I can be of any help.


Jamie
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    November 2005
One More Good Pic
Posted by Anonymous on Friday, January 2, 2004 11:55 AM
Hector,

Here's one more site of a late model R2800. It's a 'fire bomber' engine, so it may not be totally on the mark for your project, but it clearly shows the exhaust structures.

http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/AWA1/301-400/walk335_A-26/images_Pointeck/A-26_INVADER_FIRE_EATER_14.jpg

I'm betting that the layout of the exhaust isn't that different model to model.

Hope this helps.


Jamie
  • Member since
    March 2003
  • From: Lafayette, LA
Posted by Melgyver on Friday, January 2, 2004 4:48 PM
After reading "qmiester's" dispcription of the exhaust for the A-26 PW R2800's I looked at the Monogram kit closely and there are 9 sets of 4 each exhaust molded on the inside of the cowl flap section. This is identical to his discription. I also found a picture I had that shows the end of the sets of 4 each exhaust. My scanner isn't working, sorry! Some small tubing could repicate this quite easily.

Clear Left!

Mel

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