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Control stick question
Posted by Bones-coa on Monday, December 15, 2003 8:29 PM
Modelers,

Take a look at this pic of a mig-19 control stick.



What is the tube or pipe running from the base of the stick up to the base of the grip on the stick? I'm trying to determine what it is so that I can decide what color to paint it. Thanks.

Dana F
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Posted by Melgyver on Monday, December 15, 2003 8:45 PM
Dana,

I'm not an authority on Migs but my guess would be a tube shielding electrical wiring. Most control sticks have the wiring run inside the main tube, but others have it on the outside. The tube protects it from chaffing. Usually the tube stops at the base and the flexible wiring had a conon plug that connects it to the airframe wiring. Allows easy removal of the control stick. A lot of helicopters are capable of dual controls and the left side controls are usually removed for single pilot operation and hauling a passenger in the left seat. That's my best guess!

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Posted by berny13 on Monday, December 15, 2003 10:08 PM
It is a control lever of some type. It looks like a wiring harness going to it. If it is in a conduit, which it looks like, it would be the same color as the control column.

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Posted by chasblake99 on Monday, December 15, 2003 10:26 PM
On some of the older American fighters the lever infront of the stick engaged the nose wheel steering and the wiring from the switch ran down the front of the stick. the wires were covered with a black protective coating (f-4 or just electrical tape) Not sure if this helps.
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Posted by Bones-coa on Monday, December 15, 2003 10:33 PM
I see what you guys are saying about wiring, but the thing that throws me on on that is the wireing appears to be ending without going to anything. The grip of the stick is to the left and the base is to the right. The pic is looking at the stick as if it were in front of you in the cockpit. It comes out of the bottom of the stick, runs up the side, then angles away from the stick to the left side. Is it conduit and the wires would just be too small to show in this scale?

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 15, 2003 10:40 PM
I think it is all speculation based on what is on the sprue. It could be anything from wiring conduit to a control lock.

Try going over to the Mig flyers near Chimo and asking them. I can't remember the web site now but Google should find them and I know they have '19's.
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Posted by Ashley on Tuesday, December 16, 2003 5:58 AM
If memory serves me correctly, that is the brakes on a MiG. Many Russian aircraft have pneumatic brakes, and no nosewheel steering, so you steer with brakes. Either the stick or the rudder pedals will route brake pressure to either wheel when deflected, or both when centered. Then, you sqeeze a handle, like a motorcycle handbrake, and you get a whopping dose of uncontrollable brake pressure!

So, I figure the upper portion of the handle would be natural metal, and the wire portion the color of the interior, as it is the housing for the pull cable

Have you flown a Ford lately?

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 16, 2003 6:06 AM
If it was a cyclic stick on a Helicopter I'd tell you it was for a mechanical release. Many helo's have mechanical releases for sling loads in case the load occilates and the electric release fails.
Since it's for a MIG-19, I'd have to go with nosewheel stearing or pneumatic brakes.
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Posted by Bones-coa on Tuesday, December 16, 2003 7:00 AM
QUOTE:
Try going over to the Mig flyers near Chimo and asking them. I can't remember the web site now but Google should find them and I know they have '19's.
Bruce



Sorry, Bruce, but I have no idea what you're talking about. Is this a flying club or squad?

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:48 PM
Sorry Dana, it was late and I should have been more specific. Near Chimo (CA?) there is a company that specializes in maintaining and flying MIG aircraft. A lot of these are coming onto the private market now and finding their way to the US. These guys are specialists in flight training as well offering storage and maintenance services. The exact name of the company escapes me which is why I suggested a Google search.

I know for sure they can give you the answer you want..
Sorry again for the confusion, and good luck,
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Posted by oldhooker on Tuesday, December 16, 2003 4:43 PM
Hi Dana,

I just got off the phone with the individual who done the restoration on the Mig-15 at the Planes of Fame Museum in Chino, California, and he confirms what "Ashley" reported, that it is a neumatic brake handle.

Frank

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Posted by Bones-coa on Tuesday, December 16, 2003 9:56 PM
Awesome! Thanks Ashley and oldhooker. Thanks for everyone's help for that matter!

Now, any idea as to what color it would be? Maybe the handle isteld is silver?

Dana F
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:03 PM
I'd go for silver, rather like a bicycle brake lever, in effect, that's what it is after all!
The conduit may be silver too. It may have started out black or whatever, but paint doesn't stick that well to aluminium conduit, it will have been kicked around some, unless you're building the model 'as new'.
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Posted by 72cuda on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:06 PM
Hey Bones;
When I was in Iraq and horsing around the old SU-22's that was left to rot in the Iraqi sun I noticed that the Soviet block A/C didn't have the wiring running throught the control stick mast but it ran outside of the mast so the mast in the kit might have the wiring run outside too and the wiring is white wrapped in black plastic spiral wrap

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