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                        ? missiles or no missiles ?

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                        FreedomEagle1953
                        • Member since
                          December 2012
                        ? missiles or no missiles ?
                        Posted by FreedomEagle1953 on Sunday, March 2, 2003 10:51 AM
                        Hello ...

                        Hope you can give me some help ... Question [?]

                        Project: Revell 1/48 F-18 HORNET - US NAVY Blue Angels for the first Community Building Project (see thread under General Modeling Discussion)

                        Question: the kit provides two (2) AIM-9(x) Sidewinder AAM missiles for the wing tips of this Blue Angles bird ... and the instructions direct painting these missiles yellow and installing them ... ??? The box top art shows the Blues flying an air show with these Sidewinders in place ... My reference material does not show the Blues doing shows or flying practice for shows with these missiles on the wing tip rails ... I am leaning towards not installing them ... ideas ??? opinions ??? experiences ??? references ???

                        Smile [:)]

                        I have seen the Blues at air shows several times ... but I really can't recall if there were missiles on the wing tip rails or not. Blush [:I]

                        Help ??? Smile [:)]

                        FreedomEagle1953

                        Chicago, IL area

                        "keep on building 'em ... but don't glue your fingers together"

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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 2, 2003 11:10 AM
                        I have seen them twice, no missiles. Shows are done with clean aircraft for safety.
                        Try
                        www.blueangels.org or
                        www.blueangels.com
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                        berny13
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                          February 2003
                        • From: Panama City, Florida, Hurricane Alley
                        Posted by berny13 on Sunday, March 2, 2003 11:35 AM
                        They fly without the missiles installed due to G limits. They are restricterd to the amount of G forces they can pull without over stressing the missile launchers. With no missiles, no limits except for what the pilots can stand or the limits of the airframe.

                        Berny

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                        Tamiya F-4D Phantom II, 13th TFS, 66-8711, 1/32 scale.  F-4 Phantom Group Build. 

                         

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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 2, 2003 11:52 AM
                        I have a pic of an F-18 that lost a missile during an arrested landing, shows the missile sliding down the flight deck.
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                        berny13
                        • Member since
                          February 2003
                        • From: Panama City, Florida, Hurricane Alley
                        Posted by berny13 on Sunday, March 2, 2003 12:03 PM
                        I'll bet that sent the deck crew jumping for cover!

                        Berny

                         Phormer Phantom Phixer

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                        TF-102A Delta Dagger, 32nd FIS, 54-1370, 1/48 scale. Monogram Pro Modeler with C&H conversion.  

                        Revell F-4E Phantom II 33rd TFW, 58th TFS, 69-260, 1/32 scale. 

                        Tamiya F-4D Phantom II, 13th TFS, 66-8711, 1/32 scale.  F-4 Phantom Group Build. 

                         

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                        FreedomEagle1953
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                          December 2012
                        Posted by FreedomEagle1953 on Sunday, March 2, 2003 7:43 PM
                        Hey claymore68 & berny13 ...

                        Thanks for the great information ... it helps a lot ... I will be leaving the missiles off the Blues a/c.

                        FreedomEagle1953

                        Chicago, IL area

                        "keep on building 'em ... but don't glue your fingers together"

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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 2, 2003 9:32 PM
                        No Missles, I See the Blue Angels every summer performing at SeaFair in Seattle. And as long as they have been in the F-18, there hasnt been any missle's loaded on them
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                        FreedomEagle1953
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                          December 2012
                        Posted by FreedomEagle1953 on Sunday, March 2, 2003 9:44 PM
                        Thank you Truckie942 ...

                        I think I will leave them off the Blues F-18 ... toss them in the old spares box. They really aren't bad replicas of AIM-9(x) AAM. 'course that doesn't mean that I will be able to remember just which "spares box" I put them in when I go to retrieve them ... <grin>

                        FreedomEagle1953

                        Chicago, IL area

                        "keep on building 'em ... but don't glue your fingers together"

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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 4, 2003 12:16 AM
                        Sure did berny, pic shows a man running. I'd post it if i could, maybe i'll have a site up soon.
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 25, 2003 3:46 PM
                        Hey Freedom, i got a favor to ask of you. Do you have the decal sheet still (unused). If so would it be possible to scan and send me the pic? I wanna do a fictious Demo squad and wanna use part of the Blue Angel markigs. Or does anyopne know where I can find these? THanks!
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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 25, 2003 7:00 PM
                        Steve
                        Another thing concerning that Revell kit in case you haven't noticed is that the "Blue Angels" logo is way out of scale.(about twice as large as it should be)..Fortunately aftermarket decals are available..I always see them on ebay
                        I'm about to get started on doing the entire team in 1/72nd
                        Have fun!
                        Merlin
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 25, 2003 11:57 PM
                        Do we need missiles for display plane?. Never seen any on Blue Angles,Thunderbirds or Red Arrow. So why do we need.
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 26, 2003 2:47 PM
                        I have senn them only once. No missiles at all. maybe they use it sometimes in training beacuse, like all other acrobatic patrols in the world they may have a secondary role that implies missiles, and maybe they didn't have time to take them off for next flight, that could explain why they are on your box art, F-16 and AMX flight performances aren't influenced by aim-9s, maybe the same is for F-18. Lots of maybes!!
                        frasca78
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                        BlackWolf3945
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                          December 2002
                        • From: Pominville, NY
                        Posted by BlackWolf3945 on Wednesday, March 26, 2003 2:55 PM
                        Roger that, no missiles on Angels' Hornets. But my real reason for this post...

                        Claymore, there's a site; http://photopile.com/ that allows you a trial account and you can upload 10 images for nuthin'. I've used this hosting service for awhile now and you can open multiple accounts. It's also a very easy upload process.
                        I'd love to see that pic of the man-seeking missle!

                        Fade to Black...

                        Steve O. Reno Check Out My Photo Sets on Flickr

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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 26, 2003 4:58 PM
                        Blackwolfscd, thanx for the tip, I set up an account and posted a pic in the test forum. Now I just have to find the man seeker pic.
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 26, 2003 8:39 PM
                        Found it! 3000+ images on the hard driveTongue [:P]



                        Wonder if it went off the deck or stopped first.
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 28, 2003 3:35 PM
                        Missles ? NO! But, I wonder how you're going to handle the paint job?
                        I mean, the yellow decals don't seem to work out with the blue undercoat of paint.
                        Let me know your technqiue.
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 15, 2003 12:07 PM
                        Those who said that the Blues don't fly with missiles or drop tanks are correct. I have several of those kits too. I bet the crewchief on that 18 wondered why he had some extra parts left!
                        By the way, all my Hornets are being done in regular fleet markings so whoever can use the Blue Angels decals are more than welcomed. My e-mail is sonic_master2001@yahoo.com
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 16, 2003 5:56 AM
                        Regarding the "man seeking missile", it did go off the flight deck into the ocean. It was on launch though, not landing. The guy running looks like the plane launcher. Just wanted to clarify that.

                        Semper Fi
                        Bryce
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 16, 2003 10:16 AM
                        Are you sure that Hornet's launching? It doesn't look like the launch bar on the nose gear is lowered. I'm pretty sure you know that you kinda need that to get going! It's pretty hard to tell though, and I could be wrong.
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 16, 2003 11:25 AM
                        I might be wrong, I have seen the picture at other places and they have all said it was launching
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 16, 2003 4:17 PM
                        it looks like a landing. If you look at the deck, you can't see the catapult. plus, i'm sure the planes have some sort of saftey system that won't let them launch missles while on the "ground". I dunno.
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 16, 2003 8:02 PM
                        Sure looks like a recovery instead of a launch ( Where is the catapult track). Had the same thing happen on an F-8 Crusader recovery on the Enterprise in 1963. Sure gets everyones attention!!!
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                        berny13
                        • Member since
                          February 2003
                        • From: Panama City, Florida, Hurricane Alley
                        Posted by berny13 on Wednesday, April 16, 2003 8:08 PM
                        You are right. All acft have a safeing system to prevent any ordinance from being dropped or fired on the ground. It is usually in the form of a squat switch on the landing gear. As long as pressure is on the gear the switch will be compressed breaking the circuit. There is also the master arm switch in the cockpit, when turned off, it will break the circuit. To test fireing voltage on the ground a master over ride switch must be activated, bypassing the squat switch on the gear.

                        The milssile in the picture wasn't fired. There is no flame from the exhaust, only smoke from metal to metal contact. My guess would be that on landing the shear pins on the missile let go and the forward momentum allowed it to come off of the launcher.

                        Berny

                         Phormer Phantom Phixer

                        On the bench

                        TF-102A Delta Dagger, 32nd FIS, 54-1370, 1/48 scale. Monogram Pro Modeler with C&H conversion.  

                        Revell F-4E Phantom II 33rd TFW, 58th TFS, 69-260, 1/32 scale. 

                        Tamiya F-4D Phantom II, 13th TFS, 66-8711, 1/32 scale.  F-4 Phantom Group Build. 

                         

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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 16, 2003 10:10 PM
                        someone knows there stuff!! Thanks for the info! If this came up in about a year I'd be able to answer perfectly! I'm join the Marines and gonna work on the F-18.
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 17, 2003 12:53 PM
                        Thanks for backing me up! I didn't know if I should say anything but I was pretty sure it was trapping. I think it would be pretty hard to lose a missile during takeoff. It's a neat picture. Does anyone know when it was taken?
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 17, 2003 4:29 PM
                        I have the second picture of that missile scooting off the deck. The picture shows it just about to get airborne again as it lauches over the bow. I've been trying to post the picture but can't seem to do it. So in answer to the previous question ... it went over the bow. Another million dollars down the drain.
                        Cheers,
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                        berny13
                        • Member since
                          February 2003
                        • From: Panama City, Florida, Hurricane Alley
                        Posted by berny13 on Thursday, April 17, 2003 4:37 PM
                        It looks like an AIM-9M. The cost is only a quarter of a million.

                        Berny

                         Phormer Phantom Phixer

                        On the bench

                        TF-102A Delta Dagger, 32nd FIS, 54-1370, 1/48 scale. Monogram Pro Modeler with C&H conversion.  

                        Revell F-4E Phantom II 33rd TFW, 58th TFS, 69-260, 1/32 scale. 

                        Tamiya F-4D Phantom II, 13th TFS, 66-8711, 1/32 scale.  F-4 Phantom Group Build. 

                         

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                        mostlyjets
                        • Member since
                          March 2003
                        • From: Poway, Ca.
                        Posted by mostlyjets on Friday, April 18, 2003 12:03 AM
                        The Hornet is landing. Note location on the deck...not cats in that area. Sidewinder came off due to the arrest and faulty latch on LAU-7.
                        All out of Snakes and Nape, switching to guns...
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 5, 2003 12:41 PM
                        Was just wondering how that Blue Angel was coming! Here is a nice "lil" pic to help you on the detailing. Guess I was wrong when I thought the Blue Angles had no signs of wear.

                        ~*~WARNING! BIG PICTURE!!!~*~
                        http://www.miramarairshow.com/images/HI-RES/blues_norfolk.jpg
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