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Detailing Help?
Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 3, 2004 4:18 PM
Hi Guys,

Let me introduce myself first, my name is Kyle and I live in the suburbs of Chicago! This is my first post here as well as the first model kit I've ever worked on. I'm a private pilot student, so it's natural for me to be interested in everything aviation and I've just gotten really into modeling. Since I'm a general aviation fan I looked long and hard to find a GA kit and went with the Minicraft Piper Cherokee in 1/48th. I bought a can of Testors Gloss White and some small 1/4 fl oz. bottles for details. All in all, the mold is pretty crude, with rough parts of plastic coming off everything and it took quite a bit of cutting with the x-acto and sanding to get the parts in even barely acceptable order. The paint job went bad and uneven/bumpy, even though I did about 4 very very very light coats. I waited each day to add another coat and only did a little "shot" with the can and the results were still fairly bad. Anyhow, I am not discouraged and will be starting a new kit soon, from Hasegawa in 1/72nd this time, not going with another minicraft. Anyhow, my real question is, when finishing this kit, the control surfaces are recessed quite a bit and I wanted to add the black lines in them that I see on so many kits to make the surfaces stand out. I first tried using a pin dipped in black paint, but that didnt work. Next I tried a thin tip permenant marker, but that didnt work either. Ok guys, how do I go about doing such detail? Overall, I'm disappointed with how my first kit has turned out, especially the spray can, which seemingly spit the paint when spraying and made the dots all over. I tried handbrushing some parts and the paint was uneven with brush marks etc. There are gaps when some parts are glued together and i definitely have a lot to learn! I appreciate all help and will post photos of the completed model soon, if you great folks care to see my first attempt (lol). I read on here there are no stupid questions, so I hope to get some help! Thanks and happy new year! Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]

P.S. Is the Hasegawa 1/72nd AV-B Harrier Plus II a good kit to go with next?
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 3, 2004 4:28 PM
ORDguy737,
Don't feel bad I'm working on my first model in a long time and sometimes when I finish a short session I just sit back and laugh! These guys on here are very helpful though and I don't hesitate to ask any questions...(even if I think they sound stupid)

I seem to remember an article in a FSM a few months ago about spray can finishes on cars...I'll go look in the pile and see if I can come up with a date for you. As for the Tamiya kit, from what I hear you won't have any problems as far as quality.
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Posted by gregers on Saturday, January 3, 2004 4:32 PM
Hi Kyle and welcome to the forum. if you are using a spray can try warming it first and really shake it before you spray (shake till your arm hurts then shake some more LoL) warm liquid flows better and the solvents evaporate faster too. to fill the gaps try using a filler like squadron green putty, or bigger gaps use milliput (quite expensive in the States so i am told). any hasegawa kit will be a good one with exellent it of parts so you cant go too far wrong with that one. i look forward to seeing those pics. Greg
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 3, 2004 4:37 PM
Ok look in the Dec. 2003 Fine Scale Modeler page 36. "Rattle-can Results" by Matthew Usher.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 3, 2004 4:42 PM
Thanks for the welcome guys! I started the decaling today and eh, it's not the best in the world, with obvious ripples and such, but I didn't use any decal solvent, so I am fairly happy with the result on the decals...I had never used waterslide before and was quite surprised how delicate they are, ripping a decal or two in the process..and laughing too. So I've opted to not put all the decals on that come with the kit, but I figure it was a bad kit anyhow so I'm going to salvage it to the best of my abilities. Thanks for the heads up on the Hasegawa guys, I'm really looking forward to doing that because I feel like I have more knowledge of the do's and dont's of of kit building. If only I could get handbrushing down! I'll definitely get putty for the next model I do, as I want it to look good and hoped for a good looking result, but I knew it would be nothing like all of yours, and the air brushed ones. It looks bad but dont laugh too hard, haha! I will post pics soon, the body is still in pieces, but everything is painted and decaled, so only waiting for paint to dry to actually glue it all together. Do you guys suppose it's better to paint each piece for before glueing or assemble the whole model and then glue? I have no references as I am the only person in my family that's ever tried modeling and there are no hobby shops around my area. I opted to paint then glue, so we'll see how it turns out, hopefully looking like a Piper. Cool [8D] Now on to the detailing, once I find the technique for blackening the control surface recessed lines it should be complete!
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Posted by gregers on Saturday, January 3, 2004 4:57 PM
Hi Kyle. look in the tecniques section for advice on weathering and washes for your kit. btw the two skyhawks on my posts were both brush painted, it just takes a bit of practice. also paint the interior and small details then glue and finish paint then decalling.. did you try lifting the decals or did you slide them off the backing sheet ? the latter is the way to go. later and have fun with your kits. Greg
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 3, 2004 4:58 PM
hey ORDguy737,

Check out pixilator's post down the page, 3 birds one stone, if I'm not mistaken he hand brushes those interiors...I bet he's had a little bit more practice than us...he makes it look easy.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 3, 2004 5:01 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by AJACKETSFAN

hey ORDguy737,

Check out pixilator's post down the page, 3 birds one stone, if I'm not mistaken he hand brushes those interiors...I bet he's had a little bit more practice than us...he makes it look easy.


Sorry gregers...I didn't realize... those things look amazing...I bet you've had just a little practice as well...Tongue [:P]
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Posted by gregers on Saturday, January 3, 2004 7:18 PM
Hi AJACKETSFAN no need to apologise my friend and thanks for the complements. pix beats most of us on the modeling side, i think he's had more practice than most of us too. Greg
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Posted by ModelNerd on Saturday, January 3, 2004 7:18 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by ORDGuy737

...Anyhow, my real question is, when finishing this kit, the control surfaces are recessed quite a bit and I wanted to add the black lines in them that I see on so many kits to make the surfaces stand out. I first tried using a pin dipped in black paint, but that didnt work. Next I tried a thin tip permenant marker, but that didnt work either. Ok guys, how do I go about doing such detail? ...


And now, the ModelNerd will assume the lotus position and impart wisdom (Ohhhhhhhmmmmmmm). Here is the little-known, but easy, fun, effective, and CHEAP way of adding life to those recessed panel lines: Do not buy "The Detailer" at $11.00 (or whatever) a bottle. Do not concoct a mixture of this n' that, cut with dish soap, or whatever. Go to your kids' arts n' crafts supply cupboard, and reach for the water-based tempra paints. We all know about tempra paints, right? Well, anyone who attended grammer school knows, anyway. Squirt a dab of brown, along with a dab of black. Mix it to a dark brown. Why brown? Brown will not be as "harsh" as straight black is on the eye. Gray will work well for all-white aircraft. Now, add just a little water for better "flow". But caution: too much water will lessen the intensity or ability of the paint to do its intended job. Get a brush and "paint" the mixture along and over the model's panel lines. Do one wing, one surface, at a time, NOT the whole thing at once. Let dry for ten minutes or so. Now, cut an old cotton t-shirt into 2" squares. Lightly moisten a square, then proceed to lightly wipe off the paint you just applied. A light touch will not remove the paint in the panel lines. For best realism, I always wipe in one direction, that is the direction of the airflow over the aircraft. If the kit has decent panel engravings, this method I just described works fab-u-lous. Now here's the caveat: For best results, apply your decals before using my "secret" recipie, and hit those decals with decal set, so they seat down into the panel lines. Then, seal the entire model with a gloss (or semi-gloss) clearcoat. If you detail wash over a flat finish, you will have much greater difficulty wiping away excess tempra paint. If you detail wash over unprotected (un-clearcoated) decals, you may damage your decals. When you are finished with detail-washing, and everything's lookin' groovy, (and dry), shoot a final clearcoat (either gloss or flat, whichever you require) over the entire model, as the tempra paint wash is water-based, and any subsequent sweaty palm handling may wash away your detailed lines.

The beauty of this detailing method is that it can be washed off and put on as many times as needed to get it right. It's kinda fail-safe. And at around $4 for a large bottle of tempra paint, you can detail a fleet of aircraft for next to nuthin'.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm late for lunch with the Dali Lama.

- Mark

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Posted by gregers on Saturday, January 3, 2004 7:28 PM
thanks ModelNerd, now i'm off to raid my daughters paints whilst she's asleepEvil [}:)] cheers. Greg
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 3, 2004 9:52 PM
I believe I have just gained a higher level of weathering enlightenment..."Ommmmmmm"


Thank you for the tip modelnerd...I have been stressing about getting to that point on my models but now I have your fail safe method.
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Posted by inpw1 on Saturday, January 3, 2004 11:05 PM
hey there AJACKETSFAN,

you seemed kinda bummed about your first model man........
dont be, as long as the next is better and you learned something (either what to do , or not to do) its a sucessfull build.

Also, these guys here are saviors too....lord knows i have picked there brains alot and they have been nuthin but help.....so if you have questions just ask away (i think they like the attention)


happy new year, happy modeling

jim
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Posted by ModelNerd on Saturday, January 3, 2004 11:34 PM
QUOTE: Thank you for the tip modelnerd...I have been stressing about getting to that point on my models but now I have your fail safe method.


Ne'er stress, grasshopper, for a silly model. Each one is a grand adventure in discovery. Be not afraid to choose the path of experimentation. For it is only by trial and error that we learn. Remember this: in 50 or so years, we'll all be dead. Our grandkids will have inherited our collection of plastic masterpieces, and promptly break off the propellers, then strap firecrackers to them for cheap explosive thrills. The masterpieces, like us, will return to the dust from whence they came.

- Mark

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Posted by delov on Saturday, January 3, 2004 11:45 PM
This is beautiful... must wipe off the tear now.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 4, 2004 1:38 AM
Thank you for the concern guysSmile [:)]

I'm not bumbed or anything, I'm just not taking it too serious...tonight in fact I had a very productive and confidence building session. It gave me a very satisfying feeling. For instance, I was painting the fire ring on the F-16 I'm working on and after a coat of flat black, I tryed dry brushing with steel. I was very happy with the outcome, it ended up looking pretty good. If I had a dig. camera and knew how to post a pic. I would probably put up a pic.of it. Even though it wouldn't be all that impressive to most.
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