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Marseille's 109...Finished(many pics)

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Marseille's 109...Finished(many pics)
Posted by fermis on Monday, October 25, 2010 7:14 PM

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 This is Hasegawas BF-109 F-4 Trop, as the title says, Marseille's bird. It had been in the stash for quite a few years, mostly built, engine, pit, fuse closed and wings attached. Engine is Cavalier Model Prod. and extra details provided by Technics. Finished off with MM enamels, a wash, and light exaust with pastels. Figs are from Legend. Having all the cool stuff done already, I didn't bother with a WIP, besides, who really wants another 109 WIP?!!!Stick out tongue

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Monday, October 25, 2010 7:20 PM

Awesome work, as usual! I like the engine detail, very cool. That`s one heck of a happy looking pilot figure...should be if that`s his plane,,lolYesYes

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Posted by Butz on Monday, October 25, 2010 7:26 PM

Hey fermis,

 I totally love it..!! From the detailing of the 109 down to the pilot and mechanic.. Very nice touch in deed..!! Rock solid my friend!!

 Flaps up,

Mike

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Posted by Julez72 on Monday, October 25, 2010 7:47 PM

Outstanding build buddy, well doneYesYesYes I love that scheme on 109's.....I have to admit between this one and Tangos P-51a on little bases i've decided to start adding a small base and figures to mine from now on, it just adds so much to the look of it....BTW the figure is sweet, it looks just like him...

 

 

 

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Posted by hutchdh on Monday, October 25, 2010 7:57 PM

Sweet....you did the kit and subject matter justice!!!!

Hutch

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Posted by vonBrakken on Monday, October 25, 2010 8:19 PM

WOW! Wunderbar!  The figs are amazing. Nice work!

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Posted by defcon1 on Monday, October 25, 2010 9:23 PM

Awesome!!

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 25, 2010 10:06 PM

Wow...very nice work...rarely see the engine opend up, much less on a quarter scale airplane...very nice figs as well...YesYes...

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Monday, October 25, 2010 10:29 PM

Outstanding work, and I'm a big fan of "Yellow 14".. I was the guy responsible for getting the CAF's Buchon painted as Marseille's (last) mount..  Good job posing the slats open too.. Most guys forget to do that...

Good job on the figures too, especially Ol' Hans... Knowing his background, he's proabably drunk already...

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Posted by Wirraway on Tuesday, October 26, 2010 12:26 AM

Fermis,  really nice work there, I can only echo whats already been said,  Well done that man !

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Posted by jetmodeler on Tuesday, October 26, 2010 6:11 AM

Excellent job fermis.Bow DownBow DownBow Down It looks amazing.Toast

 

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Posted by Tojo72 on Tuesday, October 26, 2010 7:45 AM

really great job,the simple base brings it to life.

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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Tuesday, October 26, 2010 7:56 AM

Excellent Build & figures.  Thanks for sharing.

Regards,  Rick

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Tuesday, October 26, 2010 8:10 AM

Great job all around Fermis, but the kill markings going on is the perfect finishing touch. Yes

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Posted by B17Pilot on Tuesday, October 26, 2010 8:50 AM

Good job!! Like the way the figures are painted.

  

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 26, 2010 2:07 PM

This is the plane that Marseille flew during very early '42...

...he is a real contender for "Greatest Ace of All Time,"  having shot down more a/c on the Western front than any other pilot in WW2...most of the Eastern front experten couldn't cut the mustard when they rotated back to the Western front, and many didn't live to tell about it: Philips, Nowotony, etc...even the ones that did live scored very little after they moved over: Rall, Barkhorn, Graf, etc...

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Tuesday, October 26, 2010 2:22 PM

If I recall, Marseille had a ridiculously accurate shot as well, usually returning to base with more kills than his mates, and far more ammo left.

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Posted by oddmanrush on Tuesday, October 26, 2010 2:48 PM

Two thumbs up! Very nice and it makes me wonder why I've not attempted to build a 109 yet.

Jon

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Tuesday, October 26, 2010 2:58 PM

oddmanrush

Two thumbs up! Very nice and it makes me wonder why I've not attempted to build a 109 yet.

Indifferent Don't let Manny hear that kind of talk!!! That being said, I've never built a P-38, but I'm changing that with an upcoming group build.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 26, 2010 3:20 PM

...hey, I bet he is having his victory markings applied in "non-slip gelb" so that the red on the rudder doesn't slide off during high-speed turns!

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Posted by fermis on Wednesday, October 27, 2010 7:56 AM

 Much thanks everybody!!!ToastToastToast

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Posted by Bucksco on Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:44 PM

Nice job! Always one of my favorite "Aces" aircraft. Like the figures too....

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, October 27, 2010 1:21 PM

Manstein's revenge

This is the plane that Marseille flew during very early '42...

...he is a real contender for "Greatest Ace of All Time,"  having shot down more a/c on the Western front than any other pilot in WW2...most of the Eastern front experten couldn't cut the mustard when they rotated back to the Western front, and many didn't live to tell about it: Philips, Nowotony, etc...even the ones that did live scored very little after they moved over: Rall, Barkhorn, Graf, etc...

IIRC, he shot down 17 in one day...

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Wednesday, October 27, 2010 1:26 PM

And few, if any, were "heavies", almost entirely fighter-to-fighter kills.

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, October 27, 2010 1:33 PM

True, but he also wound up as a kill-mark on more than one Allied fighter, and towards the end, was probably guilty of over-claiming (albeit not through dishonesty, but arrogance that, if he pulled the trigger, the other guy died) a few times, as fighters he hit mangaed to limp home...

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Wednesday, October 27, 2010 1:40 PM

Must have been hard, for either side, to be accurate with kills. It's not like you could take the shot, watch for flames, hit the pause button to record the time & location, then continue on your merry way. There had to have been a lot of cases where several pilots thought they downed the same a/c, or like you said, saw smoke, claimed it only to have the other guy get home.

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Posted by oddmanrush on Wednesday, October 27, 2010 2:25 PM

VanceCrozier

Must have been hard, for either side, to be accurate with kills. It's not like you could take the shot, watch for flames, hit the pause button to record the time & location, then continue on your merry way. There had to have been a lot of cases where several pilots thought they downed the same a/c, or like you said, saw smoke, claimed it only to have the other guy get home.

If you read the book Flying Tigers by Daniel Ford you will see that this certainly was the case, on both sides. Though I'm sure the issue was made worse for the AVG by incorporating a bonus for downed fighters if I'm not mistaken.

Jon

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:31 PM

There have been many debates as to the accuracy of German kill claims (for that matter, all kill claims by all nations), especially since the highest scoring Allied ace had "only" 60 confirmed kills...this palls in comparison to the German aces, of which over 100 claimed more than 100 "kills"...I believe conventional wisdom in almost all circles is that all "kill" claims have a degree of inflation...There are some German pilots, however, whose log books can be (and have been) cross-checked with Allied loss records and match fairly well for the most part...two German aces who I have studied and whose records have been combed over by many historians are Marseille and Schnaufer...

Schnaufer had 121 kills, all at night, and most against four-engined British bombers...when you calculate the number of men involved in his kills (at around 7 per kill), Schnaufer may be responsible for more casualties in air-to-air combat than any other pilot: roughly 850, either killed, wounded or made a PoW...

Marseille's logbook also can be verified, for the most part, against Allied loss records, but not completely--there are some real problems with his claims as well, eg:

15 September 1942
JG27 escorting Stukas intercept the attacking fighters and are awarded 19 Victories. 11 by I Gruppe, 1 by II Gruppe, 7 by III Gruppe
However, the P-40's intercepting this Stuka raid were put up by 239 Wing, 36 Kittyhawks from 250 Sqn , 3 RAAF, 450 RAAF, 112 Sqns . Only SIX Kittyhawks failed to return, one which was claimed to be shot down by friendly AA Fire. (2 losses from 250 Sqn, 2 from 3 Sqn, 1 each from 450 & 112 Sqns)

12 Oct 1941
Allied losses, 2 P-40's were shot down, 1 crashed on landing, 1 crashed inside Allied lines.
4 kills were awarded, 2 to Marseille, 1 to Sinner & Franzikest

30 Oct 1941
Allied losses of 2 P-40's and 1 damaged
4 kills awarded, 3 to Schulz, 1 to Schacht

22 May 1942
1 P-40 shot down, 1 missing and 1 crash landed at base.
5 kills awarded.

1 June 1942
1 P-40 shot down, 1 damaged
3 P-40's claimed, 1 Hurricane claimed despite not being present.


3 September 1942
2 P-40's shot down, 1 crash landed at base.
6 kills awarded, 3 to Marseille & 3 to Stahlschmidt (including a Spitfire, not present)

5 September 1942
2 Spitfires shot down, 1 P-40 shot down and 1 damaged
9 Kills awarded, 4 (All P-40) to Marseille, 2 to Stahlschmidt and 3 to Rodel

15 September 1942
5 P-40 shot down and 1 shot down by own LAA
7 kills for Marseille, 4 to Krainek, 3 to Schroer (incl Spitfire)2 for von Lieres and singles to Homuth, Bornger, Grube & Stuckler.

Then there are some of the stories that still circulate about aces who are charged with false claims.  One of the more famous incidents involved the beloved Galland who made a solo sortie across the channel and reported upon landing that he was putting claims in for 2 Spitfires...imagine his crew-chief's surprise when he discovered that the plane's guns had not even been fired...oops...  

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Posted by BaBill212 on Wednesday, October 27, 2010 4:09 PM

Great job fermis...   the 109 happens to be my fav prop single engine fighter and you have done it justice for sure.

One thing you might want to try on the figures...  give the clothing a little coat of flat finish. This will take away some of the sheen....  BUT still the figs are great, the plane is great..  nice simple setting...  EXCELLENT!

Enjoy the ride!

 

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Posted by oddmanrush on Wednesday, October 27, 2010 4:18 PM

Interesting info there Manny. Look like not only were kill counts inflated, but it seems they had some trouble on occasion identifying the aircraft they were actually shooting down; mistaking P-40s, Spitfires and Hurricanes....

Jon

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