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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 14, 2004 9:24 AM

nsclcctl,

One other question..... Can you get your money back? I would think that whatever business you bought it from would do all they could to keep you a satisfied customer.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 14, 2004 9:22 AM

nsclcctl,
Dumb question, BUT.... were you not allowed to thumb through the book before you bought it? Or, was it bought mail-order, or on-line? Not criticizing, just wondering......And dude, please rant anytime you want. What you said above is the information us other modelers want to hear. Too bad that it happened to you, but, at least you're warning everyone else. THANK YOU !!!

I find that the best books on modeling tips are from Kalmbach Publishing. They are exactly what the modeler ordered when it comes to learning the best ways to build a model. No, I don't work for them......... Big Smile [:D]

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, February 13, 2004 8:57 PM

I've been in this hobby for many years and the one thing I find is that on any given day of all the information we are flooded with, only one percent may be worth a darn! I stand with you on this subject. And you find it in reviews on new products and kits. If you are doing a review on a kit, build the kit. That is why it was given to you. It wasn't given to you so you could try out that new product from Eduard. A kit review should be done as out of the box. I have seen this right here in FSM. Well, these parts didn't look right so i used AM parts from Blah Blah Corp to achieve that proper stance. SHOW US. Use the struts, use the bulkheads, use the seat/s. If it is not right then you can say the manufacturer did not get it right. How to books mostly show off this or that and are not really how to. Yes we may find a few how to tips we can walk away with but, for the cost of what we paid. Some publishers out there are not modeling specific but maybe they are acft, armor, auto, so anything that comes in related to the theme is published. No matter how to it isn't. Now a modeling magazine should have more control, if the review isn't a complete review, sorry jack resubmit. It is all about SHOW US!!!!

Thank You 207XX (STEW)

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chopperfan

Member since
November 2003
From: Oklahoma

Posted by chopperfan on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 11:43 AM

Well, well, well. Since we are "ranting" (a very good release) and "defending" our not-so-favorite and favorite books on modelling.
I would like to say that "On Plastic Wings - A Complete Guide To Plastic Aircraft Modelling" by Francois Verlinden is a great guide IMHO.
Although some passages are a little hard to comprehend due to translation. Still, the diagrams and pictures are a great help.
While it is true that the last 25 or so pages are a gallery of models built by various modellers. They are there to show what can be achieved using the tecniques described in the book. Thumbs Up [tup]

I would recommend this volume to anyone.
Just my My 2 cents [2c]

Randie

Randie [C):-)]Agape Models

Without them? The men on the ground would have to work a lot harder. You can help. Please keep 'em flying! http://www.airtanker.com/

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:48 AM

I think this......ALL you are "seasoned modelers"..And at least a few of "Masters Modelers". Sooooo...Its hard to find a new book that will tell you like a ...sludge for that or scribe or whatever...

BUT, thank goodness, I was new for the modeling. It was OUTSTANDING book. But now I knew that now...BTW.. Ive got a Osprey book called 'Basic Aviation Modeling" by Jerry Scutts. Its a good book..

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nsclcctl

Member since
May 2003
From: USA

Posted by nsclcctl on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:23 AM

http://www.kitparade.com/features01/f14cockpitdwa_2.htm
I just stole this link off another post. This my firiends, this is insrtuction and this is worth every moment that you read it. Great job in telling us how to do something. This guy, who ever it is, should write a book. This is a gorgeous model and I belive I can now do a cockpit just like it.

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:51 AM

Hmmm. So do the new Osprey books such as, Modelling the ME-110 or the F-4 Phantom gets a thumbs up or down?

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didfaI

Member since
December 2002
From: Vallejo, CA

Posted by didfaI on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:45 AM

Many thanks for the info on the book. I had seen it in the Squadron catalog and thought about buying it. Then I looked at all the other books that I have and decided that with them and this Forum, I didn't need no more 'Stinkin' Books!

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didfaI

Member since
December 2002
From: Vallejo, CA

Posted by didfaI on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:45 AM

Many thanks for the info on the book. I had seen it in the Squadron catalog and thought about buying it. Then I looked at all the other books that I have and decided that with them and this Forum, I didn't need no more 'Stinkin' Books!

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nmayhew

Member since
July 2003
From: Kent, England

Posted by nmayhew on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:42 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by josephkukavica

I just want to apologize for what I said. The thing is I really liked the book, and took what you said personally, which in hindsight is a dumb thing to do. I hope there are no hard feelings.

cool with me man! Smile [:)]

we're definitely from the "forgive and forget" school of modelling here! Smile [:)]

(at least i am!! Tongue [:P]

)
regards,
nick

Kind regards, Nicholas

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:34 AM

I just want to apologize for what I said. The thing is I really liked the book, and took what you said personally, which in hindsight is a dumb thing to do. I hope there are no hard feelings.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:09 AM

If you can't rant here, where do you rant? Ditto on the Osprey books, not much more than galleries. Verlinden books too.

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nsclcctl

Member since
May 2003
From: USA

Posted by nsclcctl on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 7:13 AM

thanks for understanding me guys. yous da best!!!

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nmayhew

Member since
July 2003
From: Kent, England

Posted by nmayhew on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 1:56 AM

hey nsclcctl,
firstly there was nothing wrong with most of your rant: you are frustrated and didn't get what you paid for Angry [:(!]

. you expressed yourself clearly and you didn't swear/cuss Smile [:)]

thanks for the heads up re the squadron book Wink [;)]

; i have had a similar experience with those osprey books - good colour profiles, but all you see is a bunch of plastic bits in one frame and a prize winner finished in the next Black Eye [B)]

[:0]

my only reservation comes from when you mentioned asking a question, getting 10 replies with only 1 guy who can actually do what he says. i think this is a little unfair.
people on this forum have been more helpful than i could possibly have wanted, answering questions i'm sure have been asked lots of times before.
regarding the standard of their work, from what i've seen on this particular forum, the guys who talk the talk can certainly walk the walk!! Tongue [:P]

later this week i'm about to follow the instructions of both swanny (panel lines....so watch this space) and djmodels99 (washes on my panther G), so i'll be putting what they say to the test.
if you have followed the instructions of someone here and it hasn't worked, then let us - and them - hear about it. i firmly believe all the feedback you get will be constructive and supportive, with the possible exception of josephkukavica (who is that guy?!).

i wish you all the best in your endeavours, and i'm sure we can all work it out in the end!! Smile [:)]

regards,
nick

Kind regards, Nicholas

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 12:20 AM

Hey don't be ashamed to rant like that again. I feel that way sometimes about washes that others have told me about and didn't work. But it is experience. Continue modeling.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 12:07 AM

Feel free to rant, it helps us weed out the helpful products from the junk!!! I sure don't want to waste my $25.00!!! Thanks for the warning nsclcctl!!

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Riceballtrp

Member since
February 2003
From: A little slice of heaven, Bishop, GA

Posted by Riceballtrp on Monday, January 26, 2004 10:34 PM

Dude,

I LOVE the rant!!!! If you can vent here and feel good about yourself - GO FOR IT!!! I have done similar things with "how To" books, but keep it as a reference because as you get better, you will realize there is good information in there you can use. If Box Stock doesn't like it - TOUGH!! Just remember that modeling is supposed to be FUN. Just take the info and apply it where you can and enjoy the hobby. Good luck with your modeling and keep posting!!!!

"What we do in life echoes in eternity !" - Maximus

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 26, 2004 10:13 PM

I was glad to hear the rant. You expressed what I have so frequently felt. It has cost me alot more than 25 bucks. I'm a slow learner. Most of the good information I have received has been on this or other forums. It's great to know that so many are willing to help and I would like to help if by doing nothing more than listening to a rant.

Go ranter! SoapBox [soapbox]

mkay

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 26, 2004 6:32 PM

What nsclcctl wrote is in part true for most of the modeling books. The best one, as far as I am concerned, is the simplest one "Modeling and Displaying Military Aircraft" (or something like that ) by Boyer. The ones from England (the Osprey collection) are especially useless as well as difficult to follow because of the layouts.

I have learned that as I build and make mistakes and discover techniques on my own, the picutures in those books have informed me of what I might want to try myself. "How to" is not their forte. Event the fine "Detailing model aircraft" series by one of the premier modelers (Ashley) is way too complex and detailed for me.

The same could criticism could be made of the annual FMS publication. You don't learn much about "how" but it is still neat to see "what."

Live, model and learn!

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willuride

Member since
May 2015

Posted by willuride on Monday, January 26, 2004 5:30 PM

thanks man, i'm glad you vented. I am here for you. Thanks for saving me 25.00. You can vent, rant and rave, all you want to on this site, because that IS what it is here for. I'm sorry you wasted 25.00, but on the other hand I am glad it was you and not me. Big Smile [:D]

This site is here to help us and get information, mostly helpful, on tips and techniques, and REFRENCES. man am I teed off to think someone else has to be so mean on here. That is not what this site is about joseph whatever, If you enjoyed the book that is all you really needed to say. how about giving your opinion on the book instead of bashing someone who has. why don't you get a life and don't make me pull all the redneck stops out!
Why don't you get a life.

On the bench Knoxville, TN:

1/48 Monogram F-4 Phantom "Black Bunny" I wanted to relive the past....Never again

On the Bench Manchester, TN:

1/48 Revell F-18E

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nsclcctl

Member since
May 2003
From: USA

Posted by nsclcctl on Monday, January 26, 2004 4:24 PM

you didn't read it, it is about the book.

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 26, 2004 3:04 PM

Look man, if you want to vent, do it somewhere else! I happen to have bought the book too, and I found a lot of value to it. That is my personal opinion. But you have no right to rant and rave on this board. If you don't like it, then why are you here?

get a life!

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nsclcctl

Member since
May 2003
From: USA

Squadron modeling encyclopedia

Posted by nsclcctl on Monday, January 26, 2004 2:50 PM

OK, here is my review. I just threw 25 bucks down the drain. Oh yeah, an encyclopedia, information, how to build and improve my skills. Oh yeah, what a rip off. Great pictrues, great models mind you done by the masters. However, practicial tips? Give me a break. An example, they are telling me how to do an instrument panel. I don't know what in the hell they did. I will tell you, there was drybrushing involved and there was obviously some other things that resulted in what appeared to be a real instrument panel shrunk down to 1:48 scale. There ain't a way in earth and and Gods creation I could replicate it. Folks, when someone wants to learn how to do something, don't tell us you did it and show us the pictures, show us how to do it in detail. All the book is is a bit of WWII aviation history with close-ups of model building. 25 bucks of stuff I see on here all day long. Oh yeah, I can do that, right. I am so disgusted right now. When I learn all the techniques I need to know, by sorting through all the misinformation, I am going to write a book on modeling. I gurantee you, if you read it, you will replicate my builds. That is what the community is looking for and that is not what is out there. Another case in point, anybody see the Trumpeteer hornet build in FSM this month? Oh yeah, I learned a lot there. I learned how to put a qtip on the end of a tiny plane and paint it. That is about what I learned. Pretty pictures but other than that, a waste of time. I'm outta here. Just sit down and stop assuming we have all been doing this all our lives. Stop assuming we will hit on the internet site that gives the scoop without the crap. Just stop assuming so much and tell us how to do things so we can enhance our skills and move forward. I gurantee you, if you ask 10 people on this board how to do a sludge wash or how to do panel lines, you will get ten responses and maybe 1 of 10 has a beautiful model. The other nine has a lower wing with crap all over it because no matter what you do, after the wash dries, it don't come off folks. That is just an example. Man am I teed!!!!

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