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Posted by Reasoned on Monday, September 12, 2011 2:53 PM

Thanks guys, for once again putting my own life's "troubles" into proper perspective.

BTW fermis, nice catch! Yes

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Posted by Hercmech on Monday, September 12, 2011 8:14 AM

I was at a show this weekend and was listening to a couple of Vietnam vets talking about their time in country. I told them both thank you and welcome home. It is amazing how much those simple words mean to folks. I always tell any vet I meet thank you for my freedom and I always welcome home those who served in Viet Nam. Even though I am a vet and I retiree I have the upmost respect and admiration for those who have selflessly served.


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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Sunday, September 11, 2011 12:21 PM

Yeah, Manny... I do to..

 That kinda stuff really puts a different perspective on these plastic bits we build into minature replicas of those mighty Warbirds. Makes them more "real", if that's a good word for it...  I think that's why I build the dioramas the way I do... Putting the models in perspective, many showing the price paid by those 19-20-22 year old "kids"...    Also.. Aircraft flown by 26 year-old Majors and 28 year-old Colonels, who made that rank because everyone older, everyone that was senior, was either killed, wounded, or captured...

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 11, 2011 11:58 AM

Hans von Hammer

Shortly after I donated a few builds to the airport, I was in there waiting for my turn with a 152, an older gentleman struck up a conversation with me. He was into R/C stuff, and was just hanging out, watching the planes come and go. He started asking about the models hanging in the lobby, and naming them off. When he got to the Zero, he turned white, and his voice just dropped and started stuttering.......th-th-that's a-a-a-a Z-Z-Z-Zero. It give me chills. He sat down calmly and started talking about his experiences at Pearl Harbor, Midway and Leyte (he was Navy). His arms and legs shook more and more as he went on, but his voice smoothed out just like he was talking about any mundain thing. I have never had the chills so bad, they were so bad, I got shivers even. When he finished his stories and came out of his trance-like state, he said, "It used to really shake me up to talk about it". I didn't know whether to laugh (as if a joke about his arms and legs vibrating the whole building) or cry. We both stood up, I shook his hand and said thank you........he teared up, and said in the 50 years since, no one has ever said thank you. He said with that one "thank you" a tremendous weight that he didn't really know he carried for 50+ years, was instantly lifted......I crumbled.

I had a few experiences similar to that with Vets that would climb aboard "FiFi"... One I'll never forget was about 15 years ago (maybe longer), in which an older gent needed a lot of help getting up into her waist.

We generally require folks to be able to enter and exit her without assistance(liability issues, ya know) , but this guy was a former B-29 crew-dog, so we made an exception.

It was hotter 'n Blazes that day, must been 115 inside her... Had the hatches and bomb bay open though, so there was a little cross-breeze. Anyway, I and aniother Fifi crew-dawg were sitting back with him, and he talked up a storm about the Superfort he flew in (gunner) from Tinian, the fighter sotries, the flak stories, engine fires, etc... Musta yacked with him for the better part of 45 minutes during the "ten-minute tour"... He went on and on, and we were mesmerized... He sat in the left waist seat, handled the turret controls and sight like he'd just finished B-29 gunnery school..

His eyes darted about the aircraft, he talked with his hands (in typical USAAF style) about the Jack he shot down over Yokahama, and the Zeke he flamed over Nagoya, the crash-landing on Iwo after they'd taken a hit from three 20mm rounds that came into the nose, that blew the bombardier's head off, mortally wounded the pilot, and blasted into the radio compartment, killing the Navigator as well... 

He crawled through the tunnel to help with the wounded and to get the pilot's body out of his seat, wiping the bombardier's blood and brains from the canopy panels so the co-pilot could see to fly and land the aircraft, but had a helluva time doing it, since the aircraft had been depressurized and the blood and goo had frozen to the canopy, that kind of stuff... I mean, he told the stories so clearly it ws like he was in HIS B-29, telling it while it happened..

Anyway, after he got down and out of Fifi, his wife came over to us with tears in her eyes.. And thanked us... Profuesly.. We didn't get it right away, but then she went on... She explained that he'd had a stroke three years prior, and that was the first time he'd spoken more than a word or two in the entire time...  He didn't show the slightest sign of that while he was in or near "Fifi"...

That "little old man" and that bomber were connected somehow, like "FiFi" had given him permission to talk...  Best I can explain it anyway... But that wasn't the only time that old gal made some "little old man" open up... It was just the most memorable... 

Man, I love those guys... 

Now those are some awesome stories---thanks for sharing Fermis and Hans...those are the kinds of things I like to think about while building...

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Sunday, September 11, 2011 11:31 AM

Shortly after I donated a few builds to the airport, I was in there waiting for my turn with a 152, an older gentleman struck up a conversation with me. He was into R/C stuff, and was just hanging out, watching the planes come and go. He started asking about the models hanging in the lobby, and naming them off. When he got to the Zero, he turned white, and his voice just dropped and started stuttering.......th-th-that's a-a-a-a Z-Z-Z-Zero. It give me chills. He sat down calmly and started talking about his experiences at Pearl Harbor, Midway and Leyte (he was Navy). His arms and legs shook more and more as he went on, but his voice smoothed out just like he was talking about any mundain thing. I have never had the chills so bad, they were so bad, I got shivers even. When he finished his stories and came out of his trance-like state, he said, "It used to really shake me up to talk about it". I didn't know whether to laugh (as if a joke about his arms and legs vibrating the whole building) or cry. We both stood up, I shook his hand and said thank you........he teared up, and said in the 50 years since, no one has ever said thank you. He said with that one "thank you" a tremendous weight that he didn't really know he carried for 50+ years, was instantly lifted......I crumbled.

I had a few experiences similar to that with Vets that would climb aboard "FiFi"... One I'll never forget was about 15 years ago (maybe longer), in which an older gent needed a lot of help getting up into her waist.

We generally require folks to be able to enter and exit her without assistance(liability issues, ya know) , but this guy was a former B-29 crew-dog, so we made an exception.

It was hotter 'n Blazes that day, must been 115 inside her... Had the hatches and bomb bay open though, so there was a little cross-breeze. Anyway, I and aniother Fifi crew-dawg were sitting back with him, and he talked up a storm about the Superfort he flew in (gunner) from Tinian, the fighter sotries, the flak stories, engine fires, etc... Musta yacked with him for the better part of 45 minutes during the "ten-minute tour"... He went on and on, and we were mesmerized... He sat in the left waist seat, handled the turret controls and sight like he'd just finished B-29 gunnery school..

His eyes darted about the aircraft, he talked with his hands (in typical USAAF style) about the Jack he shot down over Yokahama, and the Zeke he flamed over Nagoya, the crash-landing on Iwo after they'd taken a hit from three 20mm rounds that came into the nose, that blew the bombardier's head off, mortally wounded the pilot, and blasted into the radio compartment, killing the Navigator as well... 

He crawled through the tunnel to help with the wounded and to get the pilot's body out of his seat, wiping the bombardier's blood and brains from the canopy panels so the co-pilot could see to fly and land the aircraft, but had a helluva time doing it, since the aircraft had been depressurized and the blood and goo had frozen to the canopy, that kind of stuff... I mean, he told the stories so clearly it ws like he was in HIS B-29, telling it while it happened..

Anyway, after he got down and out of Fifi, his wife came over to us with tears in her eyes.. And thanked us... Profuesly.. We didn't get it right away, but then she went on... She explained that he'd had a stroke three years prior, and that was the first time he'd spoken more than a word or two in the entire time...  He didn't show the slightest sign of that while he was in or near "Fifi"...

That "little old man" and that bomber were connected somehow, like "FiFi" had given him permission to talk...  Best I can explain it anyway... But that wasn't the only time that old gal made some "little old man" open up... It was just the most memorable... 

Man, I love those guys... 

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 11, 2011 10:55 AM

Thanks guys!Bow DownToast

Vance, the inst. faces are decals. I can't quite paint em THAT good!

Gamera, I didn't do an over spray, other than dull coat. I started with IJN Green (just thinned) for the first coat, then randomly sprayed with lightened (drop or two of chromate yellow) green. I then lightened that a bit more with white and sprayed a little. After the decals, I used a raw umber(w/ touch of black) wash.

Hans, my first Zero I ever did was a Monogram, about 15 years or so ago. It's hanging from the ceiling at my local airport. I'll snap a pic next time I'm in there.

    Long-ish story for ya........

 Shortly after I donated a few builds to the airport, I was in there waiting for my turn with a 152, an older gentleman struck up a conversation with me. He was into R/C stuff, and was just hanging out, watching the planes come and go. He started asking about the models hanging in the lobby, and naming them off. When he got to the Zero, he turned white, and his voice just dropped and started stuttering.......th-th-that's a-a-a-a Z-Z-Z-Zero. It give me chills. He sat down calmly and started talking about his experiences at Pearl Harbor, Midway and Leyte (he was Navy). His arms and legs shook more and more as he went on, but his voice smoothed out just like he was talking about any mundain thing. I have never had the chills so bad, they were so bad, I got shivers even. When he finished his stories and came out of his trance-like state, he said, "It used to really shake me up to talk about it". I didn't know whether to laugh (as if a joke about his arms and legs vibrating the whole building) or cry. We both stood up, I shook his hand and said thank you........he teared up, and said in the 50 years since, no one has ever said thank you. He said with that one "thank you" a tremendous weight that he didn't really know he carried for 50+ years, was instantly lifted......I crumbled.

 I make an extra effort to shake hands and say thank you to every Vet I come across since then. It does make a difference! And you may hear some great stories.

 

The fishing was tough! Very few fish, and all but two had lockjaw. It's definitely not "catching"!!! They don't call salmon, "the fish of ten thousand casts" for no reason! Typically, only 1 in 5 stikes ends with 1 fish in the boat. I had two strikes, and managed two in the boat........dang good, considering only one other fish came in for the whole camp!

The bigger one was just over 14lbs, the other just over 8lbs. The big one made a run of about 100 yards, upstream (I use light tackle....8lb line, light action rod), a good 20 minute battle. The smaller one was a much quicker fight. It came straight up outta the water like a Trident missile, about 5 feet from the boat, up at least 7 feet in the air....impressive!!!

A little discolored from laying in the live-well for a while.

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Posted by bsyamato on Saturday, September 10, 2011 5:22 AM

both top works Yes

perfect weathering even on fishes

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, September 9, 2011 10:51 AM

Beautiful kit...

Now let's see what ya got with the Monogram version... (WEG)Devil

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, September 9, 2011 9:28 AM

Beautiful pair of fish Femis and the models aren't bad either Wink

All joking aside fantastic work as usual. I love the muted look to the paint, do you add a light overspray of tan or something like that to blend everything after you finish?

Looking forward to Pete taking the center stage.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by p38jl on Friday, September 9, 2011 9:22 AM

VanceCrozier

When I grow up, I wanna model like fermis. And fish like him too, I've only ever gone after trout in these parts. Beautiful work buddy. The instrument faces in the "new" cockpit - are those decals in there??

YesDitto

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Posted by Hercmech on Friday, September 9, 2011 9:12 AM

Ok Ok so we know you model like a mad man...now you have to show your catching skills as well? Sheeeesh man. Note: I did not say fishing skill's, I fish, you catch.

Great build's Big Smile as usual!


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Posted by VanceCrozier on Friday, September 9, 2011 9:01 AM

When I grow up, I wanna model like fermis. And fish like him too, I've only ever gone after trout in these parts. Beautiful work buddy. The instrument faces in the "new" cockpit - are those decals in there??

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by Reasoned on Thursday, September 8, 2011 10:06 PM

Fantastic pair of Zekes fermis! Beer  Amazing to see the detail on the "new" around the engine cowl.  Enjoy the fishing, it'll probably snow up there soon. Stick out tongue

Science is the pursiut of knowledge, faith is the pursuit of wisdom.  Peace be with you.

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Posted by tigerman on Thursday, September 8, 2011 9:57 PM

Man, that Pike is an ugly sucker isn't it?

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 8, 2011 7:39 PM

I love your "old" and "new" zeros and want to send both of them into the ocean in a flaming mass with my Hellcat...

So, how much better is the new kit over the old?

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Posted by fermis on Thursday, September 8, 2011 7:03 PM

Thanks guysToast

 

Mikeym_us

looking good fermis. so are you going back to the UP to do your fishing?

Negative. We've got a place on the Manistee River, Just outside of Manistee (by the airport). Went up last week, no joy. My bro just got back and said there's a LOT of fish in the river!

Pulled this gal outta there 2 years ago. 23lbs. Northern Pike.

One of last years salmon

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Posted by tigerman on Thursday, September 8, 2011 6:31 PM

Beautiful, but then what else is new? I love the weathering on the "new".

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

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Posted by Mikeym_us on Thursday, September 8, 2011 6:07 PM

looking good fermis. so are you going back to the UP to do your fishing?

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Posted by fermis on Thursday, September 8, 2011 5:43 PM

Well, two rain days in a row was enough to get these wrapped up . (one more session will finish up the Pete!). I used the spare antenna from the new kit to replace the one I busted off on the old kit. Finished off with MM enamels, wash and pastels.

The old....

And, the new....

(for some reason, the pics don't show the weathering over the decalsTongue Tied)

Will have the Pete finished up, maybe, Sunday........going north for some salmon fishing!!!

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Tuesday, August 30, 2011 11:39 PM

Like a ding dong, I attached the antenna on the old kit, and snapped it off within minutes of it being there

Doesn't matter... Many Zekes went sans radios because the pilots wanted the weight gone... They generally communicated via hand and wing-signals in formation.. They were fanatical about weight-reduction in the engineering department of Mitsubishi....  Even down to the "gear-down" indicator on the wings... It was made from bamboo...

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 30, 2011 8:50 PM

Yawn...

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 29, 2011 8:46 AM

Yes

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Posted by Mikeym_us on Saturday, August 27, 2011 8:53 PM

Well if you had painted the old one grey you could have cut the rest of the mast off and decaled it in Sakei's markings.

On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

The 71st Tactical Fighter Squadron the only Squadron to get an Air to Air kill and an Air to Ground kill in the same week with only a F-15   http://photobucket.com/albums/v332/Mikeym_us/

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Posted by Wabashwheels on Saturday, August 27, 2011 8:48 PM

Fermis, Very nice green, the subtle shading is looking great.  Do you plan to dirty them up?  They look like a great addition to your collection. Rick.

 

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Posted by fermis on Saturday, August 27, 2011 8:31 PM

Manstein's revenge

I love your zeros and want to shoot them down with that Eduard Hellcat you built a while back...

Unusual markings for the "old" kit----what are they?  Also, doesn't the "new" zero get the recognition ID non-slip gleb on the leading edges?

In my head, they have been blown up many times, by many Allied craft!!!

The markings are for 261st A/G, Kagoshima Base. The belly grey should come up the tail to the bottom of the tailplane but,.......eh..whatever, I'm just happy to get it outta the stash!

There's a few more markings to go on the new one yet, just hadn't gotten that far yet.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 27, 2011 6:28 PM

I love your zeros and want to shoot them down with that Eduard Hellcat you built a while back...

Unusual markings for the "old" kit----what are they?  Also, doesn't the "new" zero get the recognition ID non-slip gleb on the leading edges?

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Posted by fermis on Saturday, August 27, 2011 3:42 PM

 Got these bad boys painted. Pis don't really show the subtle paint shading on these, but it's there.

I'm still in the decaling process. Here's where they're at now.

The new kit has painted red/white tail band.

Like a ding dong, I attached the antenna on the old kit, and snapped it off within minutes of it being thereDunceBang Head. The new kit has a spare though!

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Posted by fermis on Saturday, August 20, 2011 7:26 AM

VanceCrozier

fermis, what do you have stuffed inside your canopy section??

 Just air! Why I did it this way, this time, I have no idea.....brain fart, lost a little PSI up thereDunce. Normally, I just stick a piece of tape to the inside of the canopy and CA it to the sprue. Anyway, the tape that is on there is a single piece that wraps all the way around. For the pit, I just taped across the openning.

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Posted by Reasoned on Friday, August 19, 2011 2:07 PM

p38jl

 VanceCrozier:

 fermis:

 Progressing at a rapid snails pace.....

Fermis tip #23.....Seperate canopy piece gets masked and glued to a sprue handle, so it can be painted at the same time as everything else.

http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu340/fermisb/2011/Tamy%20Zeros/006.jpg?t=1313714753

 

fermis, what do you have stuffed inside your canopy section??

Interesting way of doing it.  I suppose it makes more sense than just masking the section, sticking it to a piece of doubled over painters tape and then AB at the same time as everything else.

BTW, I believe the flap interiors as well as wheel wells are the Aotake color.

Science is the pursiut of knowledge, faith is the pursuit of wisdom.  Peace be with you.

On the Tarmac: 1/48 Revell P-38

In the Hanger: A bunch of kits

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