red tails movie trailer

Hmpphff - the trailer is gone from Yahoo Movies and has migrated over to IMDB - http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi624270361

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DoogsATX

traveller:

Just saw the trailer, looks like they are re-writing history. After reading Osprey's Tuskegee Airmen book, it seems that they are putting in a lot more action, and not the reality. Where are the P-39s and P-47s, and P-51Bs. Will they mention that a lot of the planes were second hand? I can only hope that the story line is strong.

 

That's not rewriting history. That's condensing and sensationalizing it...but the main thrust of events - African American pilots proving themselves against the institutionalized racism of the WWII-era military and succeeding spectacularly in their role as bomber escorts - will stlll be there.

Rewriting history is Gladiator. Precisely two things in that movie actually happened. Rome fought a buttload of wars on the German frontier during Marcus Aurelius' reign, and his son Commodus succeeded him as emperor. But yeah, no Maximus, no restoration of the Republic. Far more depressingly, Commodus' reign ended with his assassination in a bath and kicked off round after round of power struggles, coups and civil wars that would, with a few exceptions - the extended reigns of Septimius Severus, Diocletian and Constantine - persist until the collapse of the western empire three hundred years later.

Honestly, 300 is more historically accurate. And, in my opinion, one of the best historical movies ever made. Not because it's accurate (though it gets the big stuff right), but because it captures perfectly the image the Spartans so actively cultivated.

One can only hope that they do a good job of telling the story of how the airmen overcame all that was stacked up against them. I am currently re-reading their story, and it still is a good story

traveller

Just saw the trailer, looks like they are re-writing history. After reading Osprey's Tuskegee Airmen book, it seems that they are putting in a lot more action, and not the reality. Where are the P-39s and P-47s, and P-51Bs. Will they mention that a lot of the planes were second hand? I can only hope that the story line is strong.

That's not rewriting history. That's condensing and sensationalizing it...but the main thrust of events - African American pilots proving themselves against the institutionalized racism of the WWII-era military and succeeding spectacularly in their role as bomber escorts - will stlll be there.

Rewriting history is Gladiator. Precisely two things in that movie actually happened. Rome fought a buttload of wars on the German frontier during Marcus Aurelius' reign, and his son Commodus succeeded him as emperor. But yeah, no Maximus, no restoration of the Republic. Far more depressingly, Commodus' reign ended with his assassination in a bath and kicked off round after round of power struggles, coups and civil wars that would, with a few exceptions - the extended reigns of Septimius Severus, Diocletian and Constantine - persist until the collapse of the western empire three hundred years later.

Honestly, 300 is more historically accurate. And, in my opinion, one of the best historical movies ever made. Not because it's accurate (though it gets the big stuff right), but because it captures perfectly the image the Spartans so actively cultivated.

Just saw the trailer, looks like they are re-writing history. After reading Osprey's Tuskegee Airmen book, it seems that they are putting in a lot more action, and not the reality. Where are the P-39s and P-47s, and P-51Bs. Will they mention that a lot of the planes were second hand? I can only hope that the story line is strong.

The thing is though, that was 25 bombers over the entire time they were escorting bombers when other units were losing 25 bombers on a single mission.

That's when the 8th AF was tying the fighters together with the bombers too... Once Doolittle took over the the Eighth, the mission changed from Eaker's "Protect the Bombers" mission statement to "Destroy the Luftwaffe"...  The fighters were cut loose to range far ahead of the bombers and engage the Luftwaffe well before they ever even saw a bomber, while they were forming up...

Bomber losses to enemy fighters dropped dramatically under Doolittle's method... 

Hans von Hammer

The B-8s were for issue to aviators and M44s were for ground troops (M44 is still the current nomenclature of the Sun, Wind, Dust goggles), but the B8s included a red lens as well as the smoke and clear ones... Aircrews who were scheduled to be flying at night would use the red lens for about two hours prior to sundown, in order to have their night-vison at it's peak as early as possible...  And to protect their eyes from the clown with the flashlight that pops up onto the wing, shines it in your face and chirps, "Give 'em hell for me, Sir!"

Or somebody with a camera flash like later on with another group of unsung heroes in another war...

Hans von Hammer

Technically, the claim was "never lost a bomber to enemy fighters"...

Not that it really matters that much, but the claim apparently originated from a story in the Chicago Defender in March of 45, which stated the Tuskegee airmen had never lost a bomber to enemy fire. In fact, mission records and eyewitness accounts suggest at least 25 bombers were lost.

The thing is though, that was 25 bombers over the entire time they were escorting bombers when other units were losing 25 bombers on a single mission. So whatever the exact history is, the record of the Tuskegee Airmen is pretty impressive.

I am really excited about this movie, as I think I said before. Yeah, there might be a few problems with specific equipment (does it really matter if the P-51s are the right variant?), but so long as they are true to the broad outlines of the story, I'll be happy.

Hans von Hammer

Looks like it beats hell outta that HBO puker, "The Tuskeegee Airmen"... Actually saw P-40s...

Still, I don't get too wound-up about these kind of films anymore...  "Based Upon Actual Events" usually means, "A LOT of This is Fiction"...  Got a feeling that the trailer shows the majority of the air combat scenes, and mos of the movie will be on the "ground"...

Hope I'm wrong...

Boy isn't that the truth! Hollywood always see the need to jazz up stuff when the actual events are good enough. "Truth is stranger than fiction"  And a heck of a lot more interesting too!

 

40.mm

Well here we go on another trip toward infamy , hay why not its not the first time !!

 

 

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fermis:

 

The canopies on the P-40s look to be about 2.7mm too wide, when viewed from above. This movie is unwatchable.

 

 

Complete and total fraud.

 pathetic....

Well here we go on another trip toward infamy , hay why not its not the first time !!

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fermis

The canopies on the P-40s look to be about 2.7mm too wide, when viewed from above. This movie is unwatchable.

Complete and total fraud.

The canopies on the P-40s look to be about 2.7mm too wide, when viewed from above. This movie is unwatchable.

Technically, the claim was "never lost a bomber to enemy fighters"...

Yeah, I am hoping *fingers crossed* that Red Tails doesn't fall into the trap that The Tuskegee Airmen did with that "never lost a bomber" line. Although that has received enough publicity in the last decade that one would think the producers would know it was bunk ... still, this is Hollyweird ...

Hans those goggles in the bottom pic look like a close resemblance to the Army Sun Wind Dust goggles from the past 20-30 years

That's cuz they are, rather than the B-8 goggles they're "portraying"... You'd have to look at the top part of the rubber to tell which was which, where the "B8" info is stamped in the frame.. The only real difference between them and the B-8 is the lens color-choices and the materials now used to make the lenses...

The B-8s were for issue to aviators and M44s were for ground troops (M44 is still the current nomenclature of the Sun, Wind, Dust goggles), but the B8s included a red lens as well as the smoke and clear ones... Aircrews who were scheduled to be flying at night would use the red lens for about two hours prior to sundown, in order to have their night-vison at it's peak as early as possible...  And to protect their eyes from the clown with the flashlight that pops up onto the wing, shines it in your face and chirps, "Give 'em hell for me, Sir!"

Looking on IMDB and Wiki, Lawrence Fishburne is not listed as part of the cast on the new film.

stikpusher

How do these shots from the old HBO film compare?

 

Stik is the bottom image of Lawrence Fishburn from the new Tuskeegee Airmen that is coming out. And BTW Hans those goggles in the bottom pic look like a close resemblance to the Army Sun Wind Dust goggles from the past 20-30 years

Were this a WW2 flight-gear collector's forum, I'd agree... 

Hans von Hammer

 

 

 

Top one's ok...Not sure oif the nomencalture, it's a variation of the B-5, I think.. Can't tell if there're pockets for the Gosport tube.... The helmets and goggles are correct for cadets in Primary, since there were no radios or ICS in 'em... Some PTs had Gosport tubes, but not the Stearman...

The helmet in the bottom photo is ok, for a repro AN-H-16, except for the chin-strap and buckle.. Also appears to be missing the snaps for the O-mask straps.. It looks more like an A-11 crossed with a '16, actually.. But there's no fleece visible, which is why I'm calling a repro '16... I'd really like to look it over... "Hollywood" repros are usually pretty fair-quality, but never meant to fool anyone who seriously collects them, (unlike a number of Pakisatani manufacturers who even fake the inside labels)...

The M-44 goggles are a no-go.  But they do a good job pretending to be B-8 goggles...

heh, You're soundin' a bit like Gaston there, Hammer....

I wonder if this movie will continue the myth that these fighters never lost a bomber they were escorting?

As a P.S. to Hans von Hammer and the other Memphis Belle afficianados, of which I am one as well - if you want a stimulating exercise one evening, watch the WW II War Office film, The Memphis Belle: A Story of a Flying Fortress, then watch Memphis Belle.

You will notice an astonishing number of shots and sequences from the War Office film that are repeated in the Hollywood film - too many to list, really, some of them almost frame-for-frame. Coincidence? Nope! Director of the WW II film - William Wyler. Producer of the 1990 film - Catherine Wyler ... his daughter. Yep, she cared enough to borrow from the very best!

Yupper, caught that too... Had to pull out my copy of the War Department film to be sure, then Google the name, but while reading the credits of the movie (one of my quirks is reading the credits), I had a "wait a second... " moment...

stikpusher

How do these shots from the old HBO film compare?

 

Top one's ok...Not sure oif the nomencalture, it's a variation of the B-5, I think.. Can't tell if there're pockets for the Gosport tube.... The helmets and goggles are correct for cadets in Primary, since there were no radios or ICS in 'em... Some PTs had Gosport tubes, but not the Stearman...

The helmet in the bottom photo is ok, for a repro AN-H-16, except for the chin-strap and buckle.. Also appears to be missing the snaps for the O-mask straps.. It looks more like an A-11 crossed with a '16, actually.. But there's no fleece visible, which is why I'm calling a repro '16... I'd really like to look it over... "Hollywood" repros are usually pretty fair-quality, but never meant to fool anyone who seriously collects them, (unlike a number of Pakisatani manufacturers who even fake the inside labels)...

The M-44 goggles are a no-go.  But they do a good job pretending to be B-8 goggles...

How do these shots from the old HBO film compare?

CallSignOWL

you guys do realize this is a 2 hour movie and not a miniseries, right? From that fact it is obvious that things will have to be glossed over or skipped entirely in order to avoid a 5 hour production. Dont get too caught up about that.... 

Hopefully they do make a miniseries on the air war, in the same style of Band of Brothers.

We need to send this thread to LucasFilms - PLENTY of time for them to fix all their little oopsies before the premier

On a serious note, guys - at least he's trying to stick to history with this one, unlike the earlier efforts. I think this is going to be a good one regardless of all the little goofs that all of us know darn good and well are going to be in it.

And we all know that once the CG boys get rolling, there's little to stop them from going overboard ... one B-17 exploding in a ball of flames? Heck, why not make it 2, 3, 10? And we can have those P-51Ds (never mind that they should be an earlier model) taking out multiple Me-262s no problemo, boss, just tell us how many fireballs you need per movie frame ...

As a P.S. to Hans von Hammer and the other Memphis Belle afficianados, of which I am one as well - if you want a stimulating exercise one evening, watch the WW II War Office film, The Memphis Belle: A Story of a Flying Fortress, then watch Memphis Belle.

You will notice an astonishing number of shots and sequences from the War Office film that are repeated in the Hollywood film - too many to list, really, some of them almost frame-for-frame. Coincidence? Nope! Director of the WW II film - William Wyler. Producer of the 1990 film - Catherine Wyler ... his daughter. Yep, she cared enough to borrow from the very best!

you guys do realize this is a 2 hour movie and not a miniseries, right? From that fact it is obvious that things will have to be glossed over or skipped entirely in order to avoid a 5 hour production. Dont get too caught up about that.... 

Since those are P-40 canopies, which means the 99th was still in North Africa, I could see them using the RAF goggles, has the British where stationed there as well. So a trade could've been made.

Of course that all boils down to how close the movie follows the actual history of the airmen.