'Daisy Cutter' replaced by 'MOAB'

paulnchamp

Member since
January 2003
From: Warwick, RI

Posted by paulnchamp on Saturday, April 5, 2003 7:15 PM

What's this Air Force coming to when a TRANSPORT aircraft has to drop a bomb??

Next someone's going to put the C-130 on the list of best bombers! Big Smile [:D]

Paul "A man's GOT to know his limitations."

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 5, 2003 7:00 PM

Has anyone seen pics of this weapon in an aircraft? I,d like to see how its mounted.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 5, 2003 6:21 PM

Just want to say one hell of a bang

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berny13

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February 2003
From: Panama City, Florida, Hurricane Alley

Posted by berny13 on Thursday, March 20, 2003 3:47 PM

nzgunnie

I agree that this is a modeling site. But lets be gentlemen about it. We don't have to agree on everything, nor do we have to throw insults or un friendly comments toward each other. It would have been easy to say, "I disagree with you, now lets get back to the subject that this forum was designed to be"

No hard feelings, now lets discuss model building.

Berny

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nzgunnie

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February 2003
From: New Zealand

Posted by nzgunnie on Thursday, March 20, 2003 3:37 PM

Berny - If you read the last part of his comment - 'Palace buster' This is a clear remark aimed at Iraq, unless nwilliams hopes it may be used against Buckingham pallace, and I doubt that. The main point of my comment was that it was not appropriate to put on a modelling site the hope that a weapon will be used that will kill large numbers of people, after all the MOAB is hardly a pinpoint weapon.

Again I stress that it was the expression of such an objectional wish on a modelling site that I felt was innapropriate.

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berny13

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February 2003
From: Panama City, Florida, Hurricane Alley

Posted by berny13 on Thursday, March 20, 2003 11:29 AM

nzgunnie- As you said this is a modeling site. nwilliams was just making a comment, which I found no problem with. Your comment was un called for. No mention was made reguarding the current conflict untill you made it. Please be aware of others and their views prior to making such a comment.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 20, 2003 11:07 AM

nzgunnie-hoping the MOAB is used to remove an evil dictator in a strategic strike which would limit a long campaign and spare collateral damage is hardly a war mongering rant. However if I offended you or anybody else I apologize.

But I live in a town which has a large Iraqi-American community and many of them are friends of mine. I also served in Kuwait and listened to stories of how the Kuwaiti people suffered under Saddam's short rule. I have heard first hand the atrocities commited at Hussein's hand and I will never apologize for wanting him removed from humanity.

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nzgunnie

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February 2003
From: New Zealand

Posted by nzgunnie on Thursday, March 20, 2003 2:49 AM

nwilliams - why do you hope that? I fail to see what that has to do with modelling. You hoping for people to be killed? What kind of sicko are you?

Not everyone in the world shares the US views on a war with Iraq, and this is hardly the forum for making such inapprpriate comments, if you are planning on medelling the MOAB, good for you, otherwise take your war mongering rantings to a more appropriate place.

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 19, 2003 4:35 PM

MOAB size:

Check out the pick-up truck in the background to get some sense of the size of the MOAB.

Insiders are now calling the MOAB the "palace buster"
Oh, I hope they are right!

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 19, 2003 4:33 PM

Gulfstream5:

WHSmith3 is correct, the U.S. built a 44,000 lb. bomb near the end of the war but it was never deployed. I guess a B-29 would have delivered it?

Hey maybe it wasn't used because the United States was too busy winning the war.

Just another friendly joke between allies.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 16, 2003 2:44 AM

Daisy Cutter:

MOAB:

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 15, 2003 8:14 PM

Hey gulfstream5,
You missed it by 1000lbs. The Grand Slam weighed in at 9,979 kg. Converted that comes to 22,000 lbs. One was dropped against a reinforced railyard. Didn't det on impact. Experts came out to disarm. GS detted late and brought down the entire reinforced structure just from the seismic shock after being completely buried underground.
Will have to find photo of 42,000 bomb displayed at Aberdeen. Don't know if it was ever dropped from A/C but image the crater she would have made.

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mostlyjets

Member since
March 2003
From: Poway, Ca.

Posted by mostlyjets on Saturday, March 15, 2003 2:48 PM

Or better yet, the AC-5B! A few 105's, Bofors galore and Vulcans out the butt! Talk about Spooky!

All out of Snakes and Nape, switching to guns...

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upnorth

Member since
December 2002
From: Canada / Czech Republic

Posted by upnorth on Saturday, March 15, 2003 1:38 PM

I'll applaud the MOAB when it pops Hussein and Bin Ladden out of whatever holes they may find to hide in so they can be put in front of the World Court for their maniacal behaviour. In the meantime, its just a bigger noisemaker more for psychological effect than anything else.

As for the BC-5B, I'd cry if that ever came to be. I like my transports just like they were intended to be: big, fat and friendly. Now, if you must insist on modifying the C-5, How many fighters do you thing you could get to drink off of a KC-5B at one time? Belly up to the bar!

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gulfstream5

Member since
December 2002
From: United Kingdom

Posted by gulfstream5 on Friday, March 14, 2003 2:51 PM

Hey toadwbg, just a friendly joke between Allies

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toadwbg

Member since
February 2003
From: Iowa- USA

Posted by toadwbg on Thursday, March 13, 2003 2:05 PM

Funny!

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gulfstream5

Member since
December 2002
From: United Kingdom

Posted by gulfstream5 on Thursday, March 13, 2003 1:38 PM

Hey guys, we the British had a 21,000lb bomb around sixty years ago, called the Grand Slam, for deep penetration and carried by a Lancaster, maybe the USAF could borrow the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight or the Canadian Warplane Heritage's Lanc's. As usual where the RAF lead........

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Tinker

Member since
February 2003
From: USA

Posted by Tinker on Thursday, March 13, 2003 4:07 AM

Mostlyjets is correct about " Daisy Cutters ". A fuze extension would be used for the nose fuze and an instantainious delay element put into the fuze so the bomb would " blow " right at the surface of the ground. We used them alot in Vietnam for MK117 ( 750lb ) and MK82 ( 500lb ) bombs. The term " Daisy Cutter " was a generic name used for that configuration. Smile [:)]

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mostlyjets

Member since
March 2003
From: Poway, Ca.

Posted by mostlyjets on Wednesday, March 12, 2003 9:58 PM

I never really could get behind the name "Daisy Cutter" for the BLU-82. It was just a 15,000lb bomb with a 3ft fuse extension. Hell, you can have a 500lb daisy cutter with the extension fuse as was used alot in Viet Nam. I like the idea of a BC-5B!! Call it the Galaxy of Hurt!

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Keyworth

Member since
January 2003
From: NE Georgia

Posted by Keyworth on Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:27 PM

Gives a whole new meaning to "Danger Close!". :)

"There's no problem that can't be solved with a suitable application of high explosives"

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Cobrahistorian

Member since
December 2002
From: Aaaaah.... Alpha Apaches... A beautiful thing!

Posted by Cobrahistorian on Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:24 PM

heh heh heh...

Just think of a BC-5B MOAB dropper... It can carry SIX of the damn things!
Nice mushroom cloud too!

"1-6 is in hot"

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Keyworth

Member since
January 2003
From: NE Georgia

Posted by Keyworth on Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:17 PM

Anything that makes the bad guys say "What the $%#& was THAT?" (the survivors, anyway) deserves a special place in the US ordnance line. Wonder if the B-52's still inservice can haul those babies for an ArcLIght strike? I guess that the US Geological Survey folks would be interpreting the earthquake monitoring results for years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"There's no problem that can't be solved with a suitable application of high explosives"

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 12, 2003 9:55 AM

FYI: MOAB stands for "Massive Ordnance Air Burst"; "Mother of All Bombs," is just a cute nickname.

A guy who lives 12 miles away from the edge of the reservation at Eglin said it rattled his windows and impacted his eardrums. And I figure they dropped the bomb at least 5 miles into the base. That's 17 or more miles. Lay a few of those on the sand outside of Bagdad and we will see how long the Iraqi will to fight lasts.

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toadwbg

Member since
February 2003
From: Iowa- USA

Posted by toadwbg on Wednesday, March 12, 2003 7:35 AM

FYI- MAOB stands for "Mother Of All Bombs". Kind of fitting isn't it.

FYI2- I'm not pro-war or anit-war. But the writing is on the wall.

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:39 AM

I guess they tested the MOAB at Eglin yesterday. Around 1400 I felt my beer shake at Hooters here in Tampa. Could have been MOAB, could have been the 5' 9" 38 D blonde what walked by and nearly tripped my pace maker.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

'Daisy Cutter' replaced by 'MOAB'

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 12, 2003 12:20 AM

The 'Daisy Cutter' is no longer the world's largest conventional bomb It has been replaced by the 'MOAB'. The MOAB is a 21,000lb bomb. The Daisy Cutter was a 13,000lb bomb. Like the Daisy Cutter the MOAB is dropped out of a C-130.

All I've got to say is BOOM BOOM!

For more info:

http://www.defendamerica.mil

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/11/sprj.irq.moab/index.html

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