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Help Me Choose Alclad Shade for F-86D Dog Sabre

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Posted by Krakan on Monday, June 25, 2012 12:00 AM

For some visual reference, this is my F86f that is finished in alclad airframe aluminum over a gloss black base coat. The dull panels are Model Master Titanium metallizer for some contrast. Those two were the closest match I could find to reference photos.

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  • From: Chicago, IL
Posted by mike_espo on Saturday, June 23, 2012 1:31 PM

Alclad II is easy to use...just not easy to get a great look. Sad

Personally, I think it is inferior to MM metallizers, but is much more forgiving as the finish is much more durable than metalizers.

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Trumpeter 148 MiG -21F 

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  • From: Monterey Bay,CA-Fort Bragg, NC
Posted by randypandy831 on Saturday, June 23, 2012 11:22 AM

you'll be fine with any gloss back paint. i got their gloss black primer and im honestly not impressed with it. 

i think it's enamel based. 

tamiya 1/48 P-47D $25 + shipping

tamiya 1/48 mosquito $20+ shipping

hobby boss 1/48 F-105G. wings and fuselage cut from sprue. $40+ shipping. 

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  • From: Chicago, USA
Posted by MonsterZero on Saturday, June 23, 2012 10:44 AM

Can you clarify one thing for me?

For the gloss black undercoat, can I use Tamiya's acrylic gloss black, or does it have to be a special product made by Alclad?

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  • From: Iowa
Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, June 22, 2012 9:54 PM

MonsterZero

I got the Monogram-ProModeler 1/48 Dog Sabre kit and I think it's an awesome kit. I want to finish it in natural metal so it looks like the real aircraft featured here: http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/michael_supko/f-86d/

 

Which Alclad paint will give me similar appearance?

 

http://data3.primeportal.net/hangar/michael_supko/f-86d/images/f-86d_01_of_21.jpg

http://data3.primeportal.net/hangar/michael_supko/f-86d/images/f-86d_03_of_21.jpg

Dunno about Alclad, but Krylon Premium Silver Foil Metalic will come almost close enough to see yourself in..

Check out pzl66's B-17G after I told him about that stuff:

Applied straight outta the can..

Comes in an 8-oz. rattle-can, costs about 6 bucks..  Once it cures (about 48 hours), it can be decaled without a gloss-coat.. Note: If you seal it with a clear overcoat, you'll lose the shine and it's gonna look like any other silver finish, so leave it alone..

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  • From: Austin, TX
Posted by DoogsATX on Friday, June 22, 2012 9:23 PM

Alclad isn't tricker than any other metalizer.

The key to the high-shines (polished aluminum, airframe aluminum, chrome, stainless steel) - which you'll need to get that kind of finish - is a very smooth gloss black base coat*. The high-shines are semi-translucent and depend on the undercoat to provide depth. 

*you can use other colors to introduce variation, but for a first go, stick to black.

Other than that, it's all about misting it on and building it up in very light coats, exactly as with other metalizers.

Here's a P-51 I built last year in airframe aluminum:

Ultimately I was going for a more oxidized finish...and the other cool thing with the nature of the high-shine finishes is that that translucency makes them darker than the regular finishes (Aluminum, Duraluminum, etc) and thus excellent for shading...

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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  • From: Chicago, USA
Posted by MonsterZero on Friday, June 22, 2012 8:00 PM

WARNING! WARNING!

I've never used Alclad before so your reply alarmed me a little bit.

What kinds of problems should I anticipate with Alclad?

Thanks in advance for help.

Hopefully I will find out now and not after destroying a gorgeous kit...

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  • From: Longmont, Colorado
Posted by Cadet Chuck on Friday, June 22, 2012 6:46 PM

If you want to use Alclad, I would recommend "polished aluminum" to get that look.  But Alclad is tricky stuff to use.  Practice on scrap styrene first until you get the hang of it.

Gimme a pigfoot, and a bottle of beer...

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    February 2008
  • From: Chicago, IL
Posted by mike_espo on Friday, June 22, 2012 5:24 PM

I am building the same kit!! Toast

Gonna use Testors Aluminum plate. IMHO, works better than Alclad. Too tough to get the primer right....

Built this Tamiya 1/48 Thunderjet 13 years ago using Testors buffing Aluminum plate.

 

On the workbench:

Trumpeter 148 MiG -21F 

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    February 2011
  • From: Monterey Bay,CA-Fort Bragg, NC
Posted by randypandy831 on Friday, June 22, 2012 12:47 PM

airframe aluminum.

tamiya 1/48 P-47D $25 + shipping

tamiya 1/48 mosquito $20+ shipping

hobby boss 1/48 F-105G. wings and fuselage cut from sprue. $40+ shipping. 

  • Member since
    July 2003
  • From: Chicago, USA
Help Me Choose Alclad Shade for F-86D Dog Sabre
Posted by MonsterZero on Friday, June 22, 2012 11:27 AM

I got the Monogram-ProModeler 1/48 Dog Sabre kit and I think it's an awesome kit. I want to finish it in natural metal so it looks like the real aircraft featured here: http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/michael_supko/f-86d/

 

Which Alclad paint will give me similar appearance?

 

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