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Zoukei-Mura 1/32 P51D Mustang Kit Review

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Posted by Silver on Monday, November 14, 2016 11:24 AM

Zoukei M-Kit left out lots of initial internal framing that is actually on the P-51 .An actual cutaway model built by the late Dan Jayne will show you that .What you have is an outer initial framing which is over the internal framing.This model will work great if making a full cutaway or other types of construction preparations.

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Posted by BrandonK on Tuesday, February 24, 2015 5:24 PM

I've read that these ZM kits are crazy detailed and very nice to do. I will be eagerly watching you put this one together.

On the bench:

A lot !! And I mean A LOT!!

2024 Kits on deck / in process / completed   

                         14 / 5 / 2  

                              Tongue Tied

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Posted by USAFASME7 on Monday, February 23, 2015 5:32 PM

I have owned the ZM P-51 kit for almost a year, and just started on it 2 days ago. It is a beautifully molded kit, with plenty of detail and wonderful instructions. So far, the cockpit and engine have gone together wonderfully. So much detail in the Merlin, you could swear it would run if given fuel and spark LOL.

I do plan on adding a few scratch-built structural items for more detail, as well as some additional wiring, flight control cables, etc.

I plan on building this Mustang with 1/2 the skins OFF...to reveal all the beautiful detail, and structural members underneath. I will display it in one of my classrooms at the Air Force Tech School I teach aircraft maintenance at.

--Rob

Glue Sniffer since 1977

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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Friday, August 10, 2012 7:03 AM

Marc, here we go.

The area in question on this kits doesn't rely on a full fuselage side - there is no fuselage side but thin skin panels that go onto the interior frame. Did I mention that this was a technical build?

However I have tried to show that the recess area for the flap is correct and a very good and snug fit.

My apologies for the photographs, but as I have not done the fuselage frame sections yet I am dealing with some very thin parts that enclose the area up and I have tried to show that the area has been done correctly with the recess etc.

Now all I need to do is build the damn fuselage and stick it all together and work out is the flap recess area needs to be in zinc chromate green of the late war brownish green colour

 

James

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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Thursday, August 9, 2012 6:04 PM

Marc

let me take a couple of pics tomorrow and show you that the recess is correct

James

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Posted by wing_nut on Wednesday, August 8, 2012 7:34 AM

By no means a P-51 expert but it looks as though the flaps have the same incorrect curved recces, to fit up under the fuselage fairing,  like on the 1/48 & 1/32 Tamiya 51's.   Happy to be corrected if I am wrong.

Marc  

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:53 PM
@keilau...glad u got a break on the price. With a family and the bills that come with it, I just can't spend that kind of money on a kit....wish I could sometimes but I have my Revellogram kits and my Ebay deals I sometimes find. I'll be following your build once you get going. Maybe Santa or the Great Pumpkin will bring me an SWS......

LEN

Len Pytlewski

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  • From: Windy city, US
Posted by keilau on Saturday, August 4, 2012 9:11 AM

troublemaker66

Wow..looking at the ad for this kit on the inside cover of the recent issue of FSM...$95.00 for the kit, $22.00 for each accessory kit..I remember reading two..gun barrels and PE...I hope it builds up as nice as it looks in the box. If you were to buy all the available accessories for the kit, it would set you back another $361.00!

Edit:  That would be $381.00...forgot about a booklet you can buy for 20 bucks..lol.

I looked at the earlier FSM instead when they had the pre-order offer until end of June. I ordered the kit plus one interior PE set for a total of $102, free shipping. This is my 4th P-51D kit and the third in 1:32 scale. Yes, the Zoukei-Mura is more than twice the cost of my last  P-51D, but it has everything I like to see and a lot more. I will not start the kit for a while yet. Looking inside the box, I am very happy with what I paid for. I would say that 99 out of a 100 buyer will not regret it.

I consider the Tamiya too. But it was $125 vs. $80 without PE. I wanted to try a new kit maker anyway. If price is an issue, you can still get the Trumpeter, or Dragon, or Hasegawa 1:32 Mustang kit for a lot less too. There are many good options when it comes to Mustang modeling. Trumpeter is the newest kit (kid) among them. The pictures and instruction sheet at Hobby Search look pretty good.

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  • From: Southern New Jersey
Posted by troublemaker66 on Thursday, August 2, 2012 12:51 PM

Wow..looking at the ad for this kit on the inside cover of the recent issue of FSM...$95.00 for the kit, $22.00 for each accessory kit..I remember reading two..gun barrels and PE...I hope it builds up as nice as it looks in the box. If you were to buy all the available accessories for the kit, it would set you back another $361.00!

Edit:  That would be $381.00...forgot about a booklet you can buy for 20 bucks..lol.

Len Pytlewski

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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Sunday, July 29, 2012 4:38 PM

I am sorry that you don't like the OOB review Hans, My only thought was to share with the members of my thoughts and impressions of this kit.

I will, of course do a full build on here. I am, at the moment knee deep in another kit and I do need another couple of things before starting this kit.such as a new airbrush etc.

I don't see the need to rush into something as complex as this kitand I do have one or two personal issues with the paint colour call outs, especiallky with the frame colour

James

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  • From: Utereg
Posted by Borg R3-MC0 on Saturday, July 28, 2012 9:47 AM
http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/kits/zmi/kit_zmi_32004.shtml

Here is another review declaring the ZM kit the best one in 1/32.

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Posted by Gaston on Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:09 AM

 Quote: TXCajun

No need to announce to the restaurant that you don't want ketchup... it adds no value to the conversation.

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 Exactly: And in-box reviews at least are much earlier, and thus give you an idea if you want to wait for full builds or jump on it.

 Besides, many aspects of accuracy can easily be judged from components, even if the whole picture is sometimes incomplete.

 Gaston

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  • From: Windy city, US
Posted by keilau on Thursday, July 19, 2012 9:23 PM

TXCajun

No need to announce to the restaurant that you don't want ketchup... it adds no value to the conversation.

Well said. I wonder why anyone would have done that.

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Posted by jeaton01 on Thursday, July 19, 2012 7:48 PM

TXCajun

Variants - Tamiya wins on some, ZM on others:  For instance, ZM gives you the three different canopies used by the D, Tamiya only one. On the other hand, Tamiya gives you both paper tanks and metal tanks as well as a separate tail to do the early D with no vertical stab fairing.

My Tamiya kit has all three canopy types, might want to recheck yours.

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

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Posted by TXCajun on Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:29 AM

None taken. Now, having said that, remember that modeling, like many other pursuits, is like a bottle of ketchup on a restaurant table: If it is useful to you, then pick it up and use it. If not, then just leave it on the table. No need to announce to the restaurant that you don't want ketchup... it adds no value to the conversation.

In-box reviews or kit reviews are just that: reviews of what you get for your money along with first impressions from the buyer. Snapdragonxxx gave his impressions based on what he saw in the kit he bought and and I gave mine. I think that is VERY valuable and here's why: If Snapdragonxxx was stunned by the crispness of the molding and my molding was soft, guess what? That points to the possibility that ZM has quality control issues. Knowing that before one spends the money and not having to wait until someone actually builds the kit is hugely valuable. For me, I'd like to see more folks post their in-box impressions to see if there truly is a QC problem.

Some modelers may jump on a new kit and start building right away. Some, like me, took the opportunity to buy the kit while it was available, but the kit goes in the stash due to other projects being on the bench in various states of completion. I'm one of those folks who like in-box reviews because I want to know the nuts and bolts of what I am considering spending my money on before I take the plunge. Having to wait until someone completes this kit and posts a meaningful review before a purchase is made means that the potential of missing the opportunity to buy it exists if the kit is very popular. It also means that many people could end up buying a kit that is not a right fit for their building style.

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Thursday, July 19, 2012 12:09 AM

No offense intended, but box reviews are a complete waste of my time... Box reviews are like dry-humping.. They don't mean anything... A stack of parts and bunch of papers ain't a review...

Lemme know when y'all have BUILT it..  THEN title it a "Review"...  And don't forget to add the price you paid, to include any and all after-market items...

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Posted by TXCajun on Wednesday, July 18, 2012 12:39 PM

My ZM Mustang arrived yesterday and I suppose that I got a different animal from the original poster. Here are my personal observations of my kit (your results may vary)

There is a COPIOUS amount of fiddly-bits in this kit. I've got a few kits under my belt and awards with some of them, so high parts counts don't intimidate me. That being said, unless you are going to leave the skin off of this kit, there is a LOT of detail bits and bobs that will be hidden once you zip her up. Also, after my initial review of the instructions, unlike the Tamiya kit, it appears that you can either display the engine access panels off, or put them on (which requires leaving out parts for the underlying structure. It does not appear that the panels can be, as designed, put on or removed at will. Not a ding necessarily - just a casual observation. Mind you, I was reviewing the instructions just briefly after an exhausting day - it bears re-look.

On the kit I received, the molding is noticeably softer than in the Tamiya kit. The panel lines remind me of the first generation of Revell US kits that had engraved panel lines. Holding the Tamiya kit side-by-side with the ZM kit ( I have both), You'd have to be blind not to see that the Tamiya panel lines are sharper - noticeably so. The parts molding overall seems akin to Monogram 70's era moldings. Yeah, there is a lot of detail, but what detail there is is softer than Tamiya.

In my kit, the main wing skins were in the top bag. I pulled it out admired that the exterior-facing side wasn't covered with rivet-divots, and then turned it over to look at the interior side. GASP! The molding on one wheel well was nice! Sharp and well executed. HOWEVER, the other side was soft and the reinforcement ribbing was barely there. Post-shading with a wash will probably make it pop out, but that's not the point. The quality of molding relief of the wheel well interior molding is different on each side - painfully and obviously so.

Now, all that aside: 1st-look pros and cons compared to Tamiya.

Mold quality - Tamiya wins hands down. It's sharper...more refined. Even though the rivet detail is given on the wings, it is restrained and would all but disappear after a couple of coats of primer and paint. Do like the real P-51 builders did - spackle the rivet heads then sand it down. Done. I plan do use Mr. Surfacer, then wipe down with Iso alcohol so that the filler stays in the unwanted rivet detail.

Parts count in comparison to viewable detail - Its' a draw per user preference. If you want to build one zipped up, buy the Tamiya kit. If you want to show the guts, go ZM. Still, Tamiya gives you a really nice level of detail... typical Tamiya - nothing to be ashamed about. One thing I did find absolutely stupid on the part of ZM is the inclusion of pistons and pushrods in the ZM engine molding. The engines on the ZM kit is a beaut, but what a waste of plastic. The pistons and pushrods will be hidden once you glue the two halves of the cylinder block together. If you got a clear engine block and separate pistons, that might make sense for those wanting to let it all hang out.

Instructions - ZM wins. They are beautiful, but Tamiya's gets the job done. I do have to note that yet again, a Japanese manufacturer only gives Gunze color references. Bad business. If you sell globally, you need to include color charts for Tamiya, Model Master, Vallejo, etc.

Decals - ZM wins...sorta (both give three schemes, but ZM seems to have more stencils, etc. on their sheets, which are larger, btw, than Tamiya. Still, Tamiya's decals are doable. Many will go for thinner after-market decals anyway - makes a huge difference when building a natural metal bird.

Variants - Tamiya wins on some, ZM on others:  For instance, ZM gives you the three different canopies used by the D, Tamiya only one. On the other hand, Tamiya gives you both paper tanks and metal tanks as well as a separate tail to do the early D with no vertical stab fairing.

Extra bits - The one thing that shines for me is that Tamiya gives you both a seated pilot and a standing pilot included in the kit. Even though the ZM kit is less ($80), if you add these figures to your cart, you are going to spend about another $40USD. Now we're up to $120USD. I paid $125 for my Tamiya kit, I already get the figures included, and I get the options of different drop tanks and tail feathers. Another neat feature of the Tamiya kit is that it comes with a stand and is engineered so that you can either put the LG on and set in on it's wheels, or remove the components via screws, replace the parts with the gear-up parts (also provided) and display it on the stand. I like that option.

So, after a quick run through both boxes and knowing what I know now, I would buy the Tamiya kit over the ZM kit I if I wanted the best-looking static model of a 1/32nd scale P-51D. I would ONLY choose the ZM kit if I wanted to leave the skin off and show off the guts for the sake of showing the guts. For me personally, knowing what I know now, I would pass on the ZM kit. ZM has more parts and detail bits, but Tamiya is a better molding hands down.

That being said, since I have both, the Tamiya kit will be build to be what it is - a showcase standard for this beautiful steed. The ZM kit will be built so that one side is zipped up and fully painted with all stencils, markings, etc. and the other side will be left totally open for the world to see its' naughty bits. And, in the end, I guess having that option is the only place where ZM truly wins my vote.

I may have missed somethings, and like I said, this is just a first look. These opinions are just that - opinions, and are not necessarily the opinions of this channel. I now return you to your normally scheduled programming...

Cheers

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Posted by CrashTestDummy on Tuesday, July 10, 2012 12:20 PM

Nice kit!  Heck, the engine alone would make a nice display.  They should sell that separately with a stand to mount it on.  

Gene Beaird,

Pearland, Texas

G. Beaird,

Pearland, Texas

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  • From: Utereg
Posted by Borg R3-MC0 on Monday, July 9, 2012 1:33 PM
Those ZM kits do look very good. I have seen some lovely examples of the Shinden, ta-152 and skyraider. I hope your mustang builds just as good.

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Posted by hkshooter on Sunday, July 8, 2012 8:06 AM

Nice review. All worthless if the build is impossible. Will be waiting for a build review.

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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Sunday, July 8, 2012 7:24 AM

thanks for the feedback. I have two of these and when I start them I intend on doing a NMF and an olive drab/light grey finish.

I am not sure if my cabinet is big enough to show them side by side but that may be a job for my dad to tackle. I am getting towards a bigger display cabinet so in the style of the lords prayer here is my modellers prayer

Our Father

Who art in his workship

Hallowed be thy sander

thy drawings come

thy build be done in the workshop

As it will be on the landing

Give us this day our new model kits

And forgive us our botch-ups

As we forgive those that post our botch-ups against us.

And lead us not into thy stash temptation,

But deliver us from superglue

For thine is your workshop

The saw, and the sander

For ever and ever.

Amen.

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Saturday, July 7, 2012 6:17 PM

WOW!!! Thanks for the review, that's simply astonishing!!! IndifferentWow

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: DFW, Texas
Posted by NervousEnergy on Friday, July 6, 2012 4:31 PM

Nice review.  Look forward to the build log.  You might check out the ZM P-51 ongoing build logs over at Scale Plastic and Rail.  One is going fine with few issues, another is having all sorts of minor challenges in getting all the engine parts to play nice.  Lots of good 'heads up' there.  

I'm still on the fence till I see several completed build logs.  Definitely doing a Tam P-51 first, but if these kits aren't too much trouble I'd like to do a 'garage build' showing off some of that lovely interior.  

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Zoukei-Mura 1/32 P51D Mustang Kit Review
Posted by snapdragonxxx on Friday, July 6, 2012 3:00 PM

Zoukei-Mura 1/32 P51-D Mustang

When Zoukei-Mura announced that this will be their next release there was a fair amount of head scratching amongst model builders because Tamiya’s 1/32 Mustang was the best that you could get wasn’t it? Was there still enough room for another 1/32 Mustang and if so what could ZM offer that was different. Well! Move over Tamiya, You’ve got yourself some competition! ZM’s latest release takes my breath away and makes me want to sweep my builders bench clean with one arm and get cracking. The mouldings are crisp, well defined and there is a wealth of parts that give you many display options including leaving skin panels off to show the interior detail that is included in the kit This is a model that will have those builders who pre-ordered and those who buy at retail looking for ZM’s previous releases with mouths producing foam and drooling at the anticipation of their next release. Two of these were delivered by a very wet looking delivery driver.

Let’s start looking at the kit.

The box is quite big and chunky. It is a sturdy one and will provide adequate protection for the plastic inside.

On opening the box everything including decals, instruction book etc. is individually wrapped in plastic with the clear canopy and clear sprue further protected by jiffy wrap.

The box is packed full of plastic and on unpacking it you fins that ZM has moulded the parts in not only clear plastic (and it is clear!) but also the aircraft sprues are in 3 different colours. Black, a gunmetal grey colour and pale grey. This makes me scratch my head a little and ask why because most modellers who get this will start with their painting and priming and the darker the plastic the harder it is to see where your painting and priming. Never mind as I am sure that there is a good reason and it could be that the  instructions seem to be divided into three parts, the engine, the cockpit and interior and the exterior and it seems that the sprues follow this. The parts are crisp and well formed with stunning detail. Even the engine cylinder case has the cylinders moulded in and a separate cylinder head. This is great as it gives builders more options for dioramas with, for instance, a Mustang with the engine covers off and one of the cylinder heads removed with a mechanic poking about. Let’s take a look at the sprues

Fuel tanks, propeller. Some internal parts and Machine guns and ammo feeds. This sprue is all in black plastic. And the detail is crisp and clear. ZM have an extra option of replacing the MG barrels with brass ones, but more about that later.  The MG’s are very well detailed and there is a hole in the barrel end but it doesn’t go in all that far and those who don’t have the Metal barrel replacement set may like to get a drill out and drill down a bit further taking real care. Other than that the MG’s are wonderful mouldings and with the right paint will look just right. The propeller.  ZM have chosen to do this all on one part instead of the hub and separate blades. Again the detailing and casting is first rate but you may need to clean up the prop blade tips. I notice a tiny bit of flashing on mine, but it still doesn’t detract that this part has been well thought out and the blade tips really are thin.

Again in black plastic this sprue covers the engine and wheels. The detail is just so crisp and clear and the engine build is a detailed one that includes as separate parts, ignition lines, oil lines, coolant lines…. Wow. The superdetailer won’t have much to add here!

Sprue C

This holds the majority of the parts for the cockpit and internal detailing and is is a gunmetal grey colour. Again the detail is top rate and the parts are crisp and well formed. The downside of this sprue is the amount of extra nubs and this is because of all the extra detail in there. Really all the extra nubs and sprue bits are no big deal because of the amount of detail they enable ZM to put on. Live with it and don’t moan because I’m not!

Sprue D

Again in gunmetal grey this has more internal detail parts. Like sprue C the parts are crisp and sharp with plenty of detail. For Example, the section on the wing spar wher the MG’s and ammunition fit.

Sprues E – H These are the outside of the Mustang and the detail is superb.

All the panel lines and riveting are excellent and restrained. The parts are crisp and sharply moulded and once again is designed to let modellers decide what to put on and what to leave off within reason! Here is a close up of one of the parts

Sprues I & JU provide more of the external skin of the aircraft and the canopy base

Sprue L has more lines for the interior. Again the detail is superb, crisp and well moulded.

Sprues K & M

These are the clear sprues and hold 3 different canopies plus other parts.

These are really well done and slide moulded to give the correct canopy shape they are really crystal clear and you will be able to see into the cockpit through the canopy.

Onto the paper parts and there are a lot of these.

First the instruction book.

This is very well thought out with detailed build diagrams and colour call outs for almost if not every part. ZM put a complete list of Vallejo paints needed for this model. I have only a couple of issues with the paint colours for the interior, but there again I have not seen their research but I would look up the yellow and green chromate colours yourself just to make sure.

The decals seem to me to be a little thick to the touch. As this is the first ZM kit I have done I have no idea how they handle but they are very well done and crisp and clear with all colours looking to be correct.

One day ZM will start using cartograf decals and we will all be very happy!

There is a mask set included and it seems to be of a vinyl type

The rest of the paperwork in the box is mostly advertising. As I pre-ordered mine I got some stickers too – not sure what I will use them on though!

A 2 sided colour sheet with what is their next release on one side and more info and extra detail sets available on the other. Both are in Japanese so I have no idea what they say!

I also purchased at the same time some of ZM extra detail sets. When I opened one I got a surprise because I knew who had done them instantly and looking at the bottom of the etched fret was the name EDUARD. I have no idea if Eduard will be releasing their own detailing sets for this kit, but IMHO not much is needed and the ZM/Eduard sets seems to cover the detailing just fine.

Metal barrel replacement set comes from….. yes you’ve guessed it – Master model!

Excuse the grubby hand!!!!!!!!!

 

Conclusion You have to get yourself one of these for the sheer detail and pleasure you will get. For me this is the ultimate P51-D model in 1/32. Although the decals are not quite up to the quality of the rest of this kit I can’t mark it down for that. There are plenty of AM decal sets out there for mustangs so the choice is yours. There is a choice in the kit of three canopies and decals and colour sheets for 3 mustangs. Like the new B-25 from HK models this screams for a Natural metal finish polished up so you can shave in it The UK price will probably come out at around £100 inc VAT but, if you built the Tamiya then have a go at this one and you won’t be disappointed. I already am saving up for their next one!

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