What's your favorite lufwaffe ace's or allies??

Anonymous

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What's your favorite lufwaffe ace's or allies??

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 10, 2004 11:26 PM

HI,
just curious whether u guys build the kits inspired by the pilot story?,
coz I like building the luftwaffe planes ace's especially 1/48 (i dreamed to build all luftwaffe ace's..anyway its just my dream Dead [xx(]

).. so far it's quiet challenging and awful for me to find the related website, biblography,history of the plane,aftermarket decals,etc. I intend not to make them all and just want to make top 10 ace's..
So guys, let me knoow each from you k, I want to hear opinion from all you guys and tell me your favorite luftwaffe ace pilots or if not any allies pilots are also welcomed too..

cheers

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 10, 2004 11:53 PM

Here's a great site for Luftwaffe aces. Its not in English, but there are statistics & photos that cover a great number of aces.

http://www.luftwaffe39-45.cjb.net/

When I build Luftwaffe aircraft, I'm more driven by the paint scheme than anything else. If an ace happens to have a bird with great camo, then I'll build it.

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chasblake99

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December 2002
From: Boise ID

Posted by chasblake99 on Wednesday, February 11, 2004 12:06 AM

Hartmann-352 victories, Marseille-158 (17 in just under 9 hours,) Galland-104, and Rudel-519 tanks, 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 70 landingcraft, 4 armored trains, and 9 enemy aircraft

Charles

NKAWTG (My KC-135R at RAF Fairfird during Allied Force) Pilots without crew chiefs are nothing but pedestrians with nice sunglasses and a cool jacket. Crew Chiefs RULE!

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 11, 2004 1:06 AM

Hi pix, thx for sharing some link, but can't read it.. is it portugais?
I want to find out the camo scheme from every ace's but quite few... any info bout it?
Here are some link that i mostly come to do some research;
http://www.luftwaffe.cz/
http://www.frenkenstein.com/ww2/germany/Germany.htm

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 11, 2004 1:22 AM

I can't read it either. Scroll down to the bottom of the page & click on the German cross on the right until the page says "Canhadores" on the top left. (must be the medals section) By clicking on the underlined pilot's name, a page will open that usually contains a few color profiles of his aircraft.
You just gotta "poke around" on the site, but there's some good profiles, pics & Luftweaffe medals there. Good luck !

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KJ200

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July 2003
From: Bicester, England

Posted by KJ200 on Wednesday, February 11, 2004 3:43 AM

Excellent sites.

I'm currently building Novotny's White 8, but have never thought of building based on an aces theme.

For me it has to Heinz Bar for the Axis, and Douglas bader for the Allies.

If only for the disability that Bader had to overcome simply to get into a cockpit, let alone become an ace and an excellent combat commander.

Karl

Currently on the bench: AZ Models 1/72 Mig 17PF

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phule

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October 2003
From: The Space Coast

Posted by phule on Wednesday, February 11, 2004 5:04 AM

I would have to say Werner Molders. He developed the "finger four" which is still used today he also develpoed the idea of the forward air controller. that and he was the youngest general of the luftwaffe, got to 100 kills before anyone else speaks volumes about him. He was also a team player helping new pilots learn the techniques to become experten. He got the nickname "vati"-Daddy from his squad members because of this. He was also grounded by Goring because he of his position in the luftwaffe and his propaganda value

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 11, 2004 5:58 AM

My fav top 5based on on their bibliography; Galland, Kittel, Rall, Priller, Nowotny...
Want to do otto kittel "schwarz 1" plane, really like it and also the story too..(he's at 1st rank ace's most killing with Fw190).. but quiet few info about his last camo plane before he died...anybody know whether the plane paint winter camo or german green overall??

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djmodels1999

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December 2002
From: United Kingdom / Belgium

Posted by djmodels1999 on Wednesday, February 11, 2004 6:30 AM

I've only built two models following reading the memoirs of their pilots... One was a Tempest, piloted by Pierre Closterman and the other one was a Me-262, piloted by Adolf Galland...

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 11, 2004 10:35 AM

My favorite since I was a kid was Galland, I had the honor to meet him and his wife Heidi back in 1990 along with other Luftwaffe Aces, living history. There's so few of our WW-II heros left now.

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Jeeves

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February 2003
From: Saratoga Springs, NY

Posted by Jeeves on Wednesday, February 11, 2004 10:41 AM

Yupp-- have to go with Galland-- he had style!!

Mike

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Jeff Herne

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January 2003

Posted by Jeff Herne on Wednesday, February 11, 2004 11:32 AM

My favorite ace is probably Hermann Graf...his aircraft were quite pretty, red tulip nose, white tails, and a neat saw-tooth splinter pattern on the wings.

All of their stories are incredible, regardless of what country they flew for...but, here's my list of favorite aces' aircraft...yeah, most are overdone by us modelers, but they're still pretty aircraft.

Graf's 109 and 190 - Red Tulip nose, white tail, sawtooth splinter
Hartmann's 109s - Black tulip nose.
Lander's Big Beautiful Doll P-51D
Tarheel Hal - P-47D
Dave Schilling's P-47D in RAF camo colors
Mac McKennon's P-51D 'Ridge Runner III'
any of the 352nd FG P-51s

There's a few more...Macchi 202s and 205s are pretty aircraft, and some of the La-5s and La-7s, Yak 3s and Yak 9s, have been painted up pretty dramatically.

My two cents,

Jeff

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 11, 2004 11:34 AM

Did u guys know any Lufwaffe or allies pilot who were still alive these days?? So far i only know is Rall still alive.. how bout others??

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Jeff Herne

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January 2003

Posted by Jeff Herne on Wednesday, February 11, 2004 12:50 PM

I've had the honor of meeting Gunther Rall, Walter Schuck, Hajo Herrman, Rudy Opitz, Walter Krupinski and Willi Resch from the Luftwaffe.

I've met dozens of US aviators, a few aces, Ken Walsh (MoH), Tex Hill, Bob Scott, Frank Gerard, Chuck Yeager and Bud Anderson, Roscoe Brown (Tuskegee) Cal Spann (Tuskegee), Joe Celauro (P-47s) Charlie Drake (F4U), etc...

I have a set of books I bought at Barnes and Noble years ago called Thunder in the Skies and (something) from the Heavens, it's basically a photo montage of WW2 aircraft. They make perfect autograph books...lots of open space between photos. I simply ask them to autograph the page with their particular aircraft on it. I have about 150 or so autographs in each book, so they'll be worth someting someday. Whenever I'm on the airshow circuit, I stow them in the plane...

Jeff Herne
Director, NJAHOF
www.njahof.org

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 11, 2004 4:44 PM

Already taken but, he gets my vote also. Werner Moelders. An innovator and great leader. "We were just fighter pilots. Werner Moelders was something more." Generalmajor Dietrich Hrabak

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 11, 2004 11:19 PM

Hi jeff, i hope i could see them..did you manage to take photo during gathering event with them just curious..
does anyone guys know whether they will invited to come to Singapore Aerospace 2004..?? Its on 24-29 february..

http://www.buyusa.gov/singapore/en/asian_aerospace_2004.html
http://www.asianaerospace.com/main.asp

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phule

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From: The Space Coast

Posted by phule on Thursday, February 12, 2004 5:04 AM

207xx3ssmitty,
At last someone else sees the light!!! :)

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 12, 2004 10:33 AM

Got a slew of photos with the Flying Tigers from 10 years ago. Tex Hill is good people as were the other Tigers...they do love to party! Have met quite a few of the German, American aces, Pacific and ETO and even Saburo Sakai and his daughter. Just sad to hear of their passing away one by one each year now.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 12, 2004 12:37 PM

Roland Beaumont. Started with Hurricanes in the battle of France 39-40, and finished as a test pilot for types such as lightning, canberra and TSR2. I don't admire him so much as an ace, but as a very fine pilot.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 12, 2004 2:17 PM

Don Gentile's P51 Shangri-la comes to mind.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, February 13, 2004 6:48 PM

phule
Great minds and all that! We are a majority of two. LOL

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 1, 2004 2:37 PM

moelders, was great . priller had the most. but all of the combat doctrines used at top gun are from the teachings of adolf galland. his teachings are the premiss of all modern air combat that my friends does not just speak alot but it speaks volumes , also i noticed
i didnt here names like p-47 aces robert s johnson and gabby gabbroski from the eto
also aces from the pto like bong, mcguire ,boyington , every country involvoed in that great conflict all had aces of one level or another but they all started at 5 and thru chance
and circumstance there skills grew but lest we not forget those many thousands of
pilots who paid the ultimate price in that race to 5 axis and allied alike one thing made
them all brothers then and now those silver wings
but thats just how i feel, hillbilly70631

remember friendly -fire isn't friendly

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 1, 2004 3:12 PM

Hi there,

Sadly, Gunter Rall passed away recently. I am currently in the process of writing biographies of every Luftwaffe 'Ace' with, like you, the intention to build a model for each. However, there are unofficial reports that there may be as many as 2400 official Luftwaffe 'Aces'!!

Man, thats a lot of models!!! Shock [:O]

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 1, 2004 4:34 PM

I will have to say several WWII pilots that I have had the fortune to meet, having been involved with the Wings over Houston Airshow autograph tent for a while now. Last year our guest included Tex Hill ( AVG), Archie Donahue (Marine F4U pilot , twice ace in a day and a total of 14 victories), Bob Morgan (Memphis Bell pilot), Jim Hill and Tom Emrich (Blacksheep pilots) and took them out for dinner after the show. Last weekend we had a table set up at the San Antonio IPMS regional show in honor of friend (my lifelong Hero) Tex Hill, and was invited over to his house. He took my wife and I on a tour of his office and it was amazing. After that ,Tex and his wife Mazie, his daughter Shannon and husband Don Schaupp, the parents of Major Reagan Schaupp, USAF and author of the book "Tex" Hill- Flying Tiger, went out for, oddly enough, chinese buffet. What a great Hero.

Tim Landers

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emo07

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From: concord, north carolina

Posted by emo07 on Monday, March 1, 2004 8:38 PM

I built OSKAR ROMM'S Fw 190 D9 from HASEGAWA'S 1/32 scale kit. My dad was a wwII fighter pilot in the Pacific theater and had a chance to meet many axis pilots after the war. He met OSKAR ROMM in the mid 1960s and was impressed that his 92 kills came operating in the western front against AMERICAN and BRITISH pilots, not the less skilled POLISH and RUSSIAN pilots in inferior aircraft.
As for allied pilots, give me GEORGE PREDDY any day!!

" When I saw fighters escorting the bombers over Berlin, I knew the jig was up." - Herman Goering

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 12:11 AM

1.Galland
2.Bud Anderson
3.Hartmann

Those are my faves.

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roadkill_275

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From: North East Texas

Posted by roadkill_275 on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 1:11 AM

Let me throw my vote for Josef Priller, and Erich Hartman, and Nowotsky.

Kevin M. Bodkins "Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup" American By Birth, Southern By the Grace of God! www.milavia.com Christian Modelers For McCain

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 1:57 AM

Hey guys, two pages into this topic and no-one has mentioned Walker "Bud" Mahurin? According to a post on another website he has been in hospital for the last week with no visitors allowed, I pray he will be OK . He flew P47's with the 56th FGp (Hub Zemke's Wolf Pack) in the ETO, scoring 21 kills. He was then shot down and evading capture, returned to England. He was then transfered to the Pacific scoring another kill there flying P51's. After that he flew F86 Sabres in Korea and was credited with 3.5 kills. Absolutely one of the great fighter pilots. I know for a fact my way of life (and this great country I live in) has been preserved by men like him and I am very grateful. He has my admiration and my prayers. My "Spirit of Atlantic City" P47 build is definately inspired!

Cheers...Snowy.

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nmayhew

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From: Kent, England

Posted by nmayhew on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 6:11 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by emo07

I built OSKAR ROMM'S Fw 190 D9 from HASEGAWA'S 1/32 scale kit. My dad was a wwII fighter pilot in the Pacific theater and had a chance to meet many axis pilots after the war. He met OSKAR ROMM in the mid 1960s and was impressed that his 92 kills came operating in the western front against AMERICAN and BRITISH pilots, not the less skilled POLISH and RUSSIAN pilots in inferior aircraft.
As for allied pilots, give me GEORGE PREDDY any day!!

i can't speak for the ruskies, but as regaards the poles being inferior pilots, remember that 303 sqn had the best record in the battle of britain, and that was mainly poles along with other eastern europeans.
i'm currently building a hurricane flown by josef fantisek of 303 who was "britain's" leading battle of briatin ace, and he was czech (kind of obliged as my lovely girlfriend is czech Wink [;)]

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inferior planes perhaps (definitely at the outset of WWII anyway), but inferior pilots i'm not so sure....
food for thought: thanks to their like, i'm in zis deutsch ge-typen nicht!![:0]
(only kidding guys Wink [;)]

)
regards,
nick

Kind regards, Nicholas