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let us assume this is the situation
Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 22, 2004 10:39 PM
lets assume that your a pilot a TOPGUN.

one cold night you were sleeping............
suddenly you hear a loud BOOOOOOOOM! IT is an invasion![8D it was a MiG-29 fulcrums. you had no choice but to fight with them. there were two aircraft you can choose the f-4 phantom or the f-117 nighthawk. the question is that, what aircraft will you choose?Cool [8D]
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Posted by MIG17 on Sunday, February 22, 2004 11:21 PM
You would 1st have to rouse the Crew Chief out of bed, cause pilots can't do anything for themselves.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 23, 2004 12:10 AM
Nice one Mig !

Well considering your going to be in a dog fight situtation , I think I'd go with the F-4 , after all as far as I know the Nighthawk doesn't carry armorment other than bombs ???? I could be wrong on this .
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 23, 2004 12:24 AM
F-4. The F-117 is not a fighter, rather a precision attack/deep strike attack aircraft. Not even sure why they put an "F" in the front of -117. Must have been an ego driver thing.
BTW delta daggar,
Nice to see you changed your signature photo. I'm not sure of the intent of the Pearl Harbor attack photo but I for one take it to mean that we must ALWAYS stand vigilante and prepared for those who may mean us harm.
Oh, and the quote should say "December 7, 1941. A day that will live in infamy".
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 23, 2004 12:46 AM
F-4 to fight the Migs, and an F-117 to level their airstrips!!!
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 23, 2004 1:55 AM
Yup for sure, I'd hate to go against the migs with JDAMS!
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 23, 2004 4:09 AM
With my kinda luck it'd turn out to be an RF-4........Dead [xx(]Banged Head [banghead]
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Posted by eagle334 on Monday, February 23, 2004 9:52 AM
Boy, that's a tough one. Although I spent many years on F-4E's and the fact that it is a true fighter, my fighter wing, the 4th FW, has the only fighter to have "bombed" down an enemy aircraft. They used a laser guided bomb to shoot down a Hind helicopter in GF I. I am sure other planes were taken down by bombs hitting them, but these guys did it purpose. So maybe the F-117 wouldn't be such a bad idea. Nah, I want the sidewinders and a gatling gun. Smile [:)]
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Posted by jimz66 on Monday, February 23, 2004 9:57 AM
Amen to that Eagle334. nough said.

Just read my signiture.
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Posted by Jeff Herne on Monday, February 23, 2004 10:09 AM
I don't know about you guys, but if I had a choice, I'd stay on the ground. Tangling nose to nose with a Mig-29 in a Phantom is not such a great idea. F-4 isn't a dogfighter in the modern sense, say, like the F-16 or even F-14 or F-15. We're comparing aircraft from two generations. Fulcrum has the advantage of maneuverability and thrust vectoring. Phantom goes real fast, but you're bingo fuel before you have a chance set yourself up for a decent shot.

Nope, in this instance, I'd stay on the ground. Now, if you're talking about Mig-25s, then definitely give me an F-4. They're a bit more level on the playing field.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 23, 2004 10:09 AM
Even if the F117 could bomb another aircraft out of the air, it only has two bombs.
F4 although I'd rather CTRL+ALT+DELETE. Wink [;)]
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Posted by triumf on Monday, February 23, 2004 3:47 PM
To be frank, I`d hunker down under my bed until I could get my hands on a real fighter.
Like a F-16. Viper rule
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Posted by upnorth on Monday, February 23, 2004 4:32 PM
I don't know, the Cold War is over, any MiG-29 operating nation that has pilots with any skills worth commenting on (thats Eastern Europe) isn't really considered "hostile" anymore.

As for those Fulcrum operating nations that still are considered hostile, if their pilots' skills aren't questionable, then the state of repair on their aircraft usually is.

At that, I suppose it wouldn't really matter what you threw at a "hostile" MiG-29 these days, the pilots would either turn tail and run if challenged, or the MiG would shake itself to pieces out of poor maintenance.
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Posted by Quagmyre on Monday, February 23, 2004 4:41 PM
Wasn't aware there were any F-117s or operational F-4s at Miramar.


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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 23, 2004 4:54 PM
I spent three years running a F4-J fire control shop and I wouldn't hesitate to use the F4. In the hands of a Top Gun the Migs wouldn't stand a chance.

Good topic but I'm sure glad it's a "Let us assume ---"

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Posted by upnorth on Monday, February 23, 2004 4:58 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Quagmyre

Wasn't aware there were any F-117s or operational F-4s at Miramar.


How long has it been since Top Gun moved to NAS Fallon?
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Posted by Trigger on Monday, February 23, 2004 7:16 PM
MiG-29s buzzing an airfield huh? Easy. I'd go with neither.

I'd just set up a lawn chair, grab a beer and watch them either hit a bird, wait for an engine failure or just collide above the runway. Then call security to pick up the two Censored [censored] out there wearing parachutes who who woke me up. Then I'd go back to sleep.
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Posted by Jeff Herne on Monday, February 23, 2004 7:21 PM
Trigger, that was hilarious!!

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 23, 2004 8:37 PM
Trigger, you got me rolling!!!! Mind if I scoot my chair up next to yours, I'll bring the beer!!!
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 23, 2004 11:50 PM
HEHE!!Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D] That was a good one!
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Posted by delov on Monday, February 23, 2004 11:58 PM
How about going after the migs with an F-22?
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Posted by oldhooker on Tuesday, February 24, 2004 9:48 AM
Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]

Thumbs Up [tup]That's a classic, Trigger!!!Thumbs Up [tup]

Each Airfield would be responsible for maintaining several
crates of live pigions, just for that purpose!

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Posted by MikeV on Tuesday, February 24, 2004 7:50 PM
An F-4 against a Mig 29?
If the pilot of that Mig was even fairly good you wouldn't live long.

I would run past the F-117, past the F-4 and jump into the F-15 because Eagle's rule the skies! Big Smile [:D]Wink [;)]

Mike

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 24, 2004 8:14 PM
I'd dig the soulder-mounted Stinger missile from under my mattress and chalk up a kill before anybody else even got a fighter jet off the ground.
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Posted by Quagmyre on Tuesday, February 24, 2004 9:00 PM
F-4 vs. Mig-29 vs. F-117.

I'd have to say which ever plane a certain Coach Ditka is flying. Yup. That's the winner.

How 'bout this? Airwolf vs. Blue Thunder

Oops.... Wrong forum.Big Smile [:D]


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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:24 PM
guys, i wonder why they put f in f-117 nighthawk if it is not a fighter>>>
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Posted by MikeV on Wednesday, February 25, 2004 11:49 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by delta dagger

guys, i wonder why they put f in f-117 nighthawk if it is not a fighter>>>


The same reason they put an "F" in F-111. Big Smile [:D]Wink [;)]

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 26, 2004 3:05 AM
does any one like to answer our question!? why they put an F in F-117 and f-111???

tnx in advance
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 26, 2004 3:25 AM
I dunno lads.. Don't underestimate Mig pilots.. There are plenty of nations out there that are not to be sneezed at. Not every country is Iraq or Afghanistan. Russian stuff might rattle a bit more than western equipment, but they have superiour aerodynamics (ever see the Su-37 fly with your own eyes? It defies imagination. I saw one at le Bourget in'97) and are a lot more ruggedly built. Besides, they'de have to be bloody good pilots to get that far and not shot down yet anyway..
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 2:09 AM
go for f-4
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