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To build a B36 in camo?

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, December 13, 2013 2:33 PM

That top photo had to be taken in a hurry as those two jets were probably passing by pretty quickly.

It's like the old scene in "Strategic Air Command" where the B-47s refuel from a KC-97 thats flying downhill just as fast as it can.

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, December 13, 2013 2:18 PM

Found this shot... just like the view...

Then to highlight the possibilities along those lines...

 

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Posted by the Baron on Friday, December 13, 2013 1:58 PM

I like what-if subjects, especially ones that are relatively plausible, and represent changing just a few factors here and there to get to your scenario.  This sounds really cool, and I hope you start posting photos soon!

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Posted by rocker286 on Friday, December 13, 2013 1:51 PM

A B-36 in camo would look awesome! Can't wait to see photos!

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Posted by buffjock on Thursday, December 12, 2013 11:31 PM

If the B-52 had never been built?? Right now we would be called AMERIKA and there would be a vodka bar on every other corner. I like the B-36,built one, I LOVE the B-52!!  Biult over 3 dozen in 1/72 qalone.My vote would be for the silver/black of late Korea,-29s early 'Nam B-52Fs. Love that scheme!!

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 12, 2013 12:28 PM

why not,  i did a 72 scale  XB-70 in camo

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Posted by tempestjohnny on Thursday, December 12, 2013 12:06 PM

If you do the camo on the B-36 you're going to need paint in gallon containers. hehe

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, December 12, 2013 12:42 AM

I don't think those Migs would have survived long. The BUFFs were pretty well escorted, not to mention their was a strong support campaign by F-111s against SAM sites and Mig bases just ahead of the B-52s.

 

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Posted by pws73703 on Wednesday, December 11, 2013 10:30 PM
The north Vietnamese would fly there migs along side of the buffs radio in the alt air speed an heading to sam sites and get direct hits on them
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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, December 11, 2013 10:07 PM

Lol! No worries my friend. I was trying to be historical, and not political. I suppose restrictive as opposed to ludicrous would have been less likely to be interpreted as such. I find what ifs fascinating when you start dissecting the whole scenario. If the B-36 is used as a strategic high level bomber it would have been untouchable to all conventional AAA in NVN arsenal early on. The 119s lost at DBP were flying into the heart of a light AAA environment while doing drops. I have not read Thud Ridge in over 30 years now, but yes I do remember much of it. And what the modern integrated air defense system could do to fighter bombers. Lets just say this what if has a huge potential for dissection and analysis of the entire scenario. Especially when placed in the historical context of that time and place.

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, December 11, 2013 7:06 PM

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Yes, but most of those 34 fell during the Linebacker II campaign at the end of the war. prior to that I want to say less than 5 were downed by Viet air defenses. And had the B-52 been employed in 1964/1965 ike the JCS wanted to do before the air defenses were so tough it likely would have been far less. The heaviest losses in Linebacker II were due to two primary reasons:1) the use of G & H model B-52s that did not have as comprehensive of defensive ECM suites as the already in Theater D models, and 2) the early use of repetitive tactics, flight routes, etc. that allowed the Viets to know where follow on waves would be coming and concentrate their defences accordingly. By the end of Linebacker II revised tactics had dropped losses to 0 and the Viets had fired up all of their SAMs. Then they went back to the negotiating table.

Vietnamese air defences were allowed to evolve into what they became due to ludicrous rules of engagement drawn up by the White House. They could have been smashed at the railhead and dockside if allowed in 1964/1965. Those lessons were well learned and applied in 1991.

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Yes I agree, and the number I cited was incorrect- it was 31. In any case, what-ifs are fun and I guess I just betray my opinion that they should be at least somewhat plausible. I happened to meet a guy last Saturday at a very enjoyable dinner party who flew in AC-119's and AC-130's in Vietnam, as a cannon loader. He said it was a pretty good gig because they were never over enemy territory per se, the ground fire was pretty non-existent because the bad guys didn't want to attract any attention, and at their altitude the scenery was pretty good.

The NVA was shooting down C-119s over DBP in 1954. 

You've read Thud Ridge, what happened to modern high performance aircraft on bombing missions.

And I guess if a B-36 were converted to a gunship, it would properly be designated a AC-99.

Or it could fill the mission that the Revell/ Monogram kit is set up for, dropping flash bombs over the Ho Chi Minh Trail south of the 17th.

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Posted by RotorHead10 on Wednesday, December 11, 2013 4:51 PM
O_o how about a B-36 in gunship gray....with FLIR pods.....and cruise missles mounted on hard points...oh the humanity

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:37 PM

Yes, but most of those 34 fell during the Linebacker II campaign at the end of the war. prior to that I want to say less than 5 were downed by Viet air defenses. And had the B-52 been employed in 1964/1965 ike the JCS wanted to do before the air defenses were so tough it likely would have been far less. The heaviest losses in Linebacker II were due to two primary reasons:1) the use of G & H model B-52s that did not have as comprehensive of defensive ECM suites as the already in Theater D models, and 2) the early use of repetitive tactics, flight routes, etc. that allowed the Viets to know where follow on waves would be coming and concentrate their defences accordingly. By the end of Linebacker II revised tactics had dropped losses to 0 and the Viets had fired up all of their SAMs. Then they went back to the negotiating table.

Vietnamese air defences were allowed to evolve into what they became due to ludicrous rules of engagement drawn up by the White House. They could have been smashed at the railhead and dockside if allowed in 1964/1965. Those lessons were well learned and applied in 1991.

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:17 PM

If I remember, Italeri showed the Hustler SEA scheme in the instructions for their 1/72 kit. But it never happened.

Not that it matters for the purposes of a what-if, but the B-36 would have been of no use as a bomber in Vietnam. Their air defences were REALLY good. They were able to shoot down 34 B-52s after all.

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Posted by Liegghio on Wednesday, December 11, 2013 12:54 AM

Totally agree on the SEA camouflage with black underside! Additionally, how about adding underwing bomb racks like the B52s carried?

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, December 11, 2013 12:48 AM

There is the Hawegawa 1/72 B-47 and I think Minicraft or Academy makes some in 1/144.

 

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Posted by pws73703 on Wednesday, December 11, 2013 12:17 AM
I forgot dose anybody make a reasonably priced b47 kit
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Posted by Ish47guy on Wednesday, December 11, 2013 12:08 AM

You're are forgetting about the B-47. If the B-52 was never built, you would be left with the prop/jet B-36 and the pure jet B-47.

There has been a handful of B-58 kits built in the what-if camo (mostly the smaller 1/144 & 72nd kits), just need to track down where the articles are posted.

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Posted by pws73703 on Tuesday, December 10, 2013 11:58 PM
I was just thinking about that today kinda be a cool what if build if the B52 was never built
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Posted by Reasoned on Tuesday, December 10, 2013 10:05 PM

Well regardless of how you paint her, drop on in the B-36 GB and join the fun!

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, December 10, 2013 10:03 PM

Or perhaps like an early Vietnam war B-52 in NMF topside and black lowers. Something akin to Korean War Superforts. Or even more wicked- all black with red lettering like was seen on B-57s early in the Vietnam War.

 

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Posted by Scotty T on Tuesday, December 10, 2013 9:32 PM

That would look AWESOME!!  Do the buff Vietnam camo with black underside

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Posted by MRME on Tuesday, December 10, 2013 9:14 PM

I maybe a fng on here, dont even have a star yet, but I would have to agree with you sir Ive built two of these aircraft never seen a camo B36 both built more than 30 yrs. ago back in mid to late 70s

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, December 10, 2013 9:05 PM

Well, the airframe would have been probably used in the same way that the old C-47's and C-119's were.

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Posted by dirkpitt77 on Tuesday, December 10, 2013 8:46 PM

That would be interesting to see, for sure.

Didn't I see pics, or read in a thread, of someone doing a B-58 Hustler in the SEA tri-color scheme?

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Posted by jeaton01 on Tuesday, December 10, 2013 8:40 PM

Big SmileThat would be un-American!

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To build a B36 in camo?
Posted by flankermark on Tuesday, December 10, 2013 8:08 PM

GeekedI have recently done a b17, b24, b 29 and a great big  1/48  B1B. Having a great time.  Found the B1 at a show,paid. 20 bucks!   I am  o k with airbrushing  alcad, and enjoy free handing camo.  My dilemma - was thinking of shooting a big B36 in tricolor camo.  Thinking that if history changed and they were used in Vietnam  next to b52(building a buff now! That's where the idea came from! ) .   Anyway, any thoughts on my camo peacemaker?     I just feel its time to build them all!  Go big or go home!    I am trying to post photos too. Thanks for any replies.  

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