F-4 Phantom flyoff against E.E Lightning!!

Anonymous

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November 2005

F-4 Phantom flyoff against E.E Lightning!!

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 5, 2004 6:28 PM

Hi again... most of you (Americans anyway) know why I listed the "Rhino" first! People say both planes are beautiful or ugly. Now lets see what you think!!!

F-4C/D: SPECIFICATIONS
Span: 38 ft. 5 in. (27 ft. 6 in. folded)
Length: 58 ft. 2 in.
Height: 16 ft. 6 in.
Weight: 58,000 lbs. loaded
Armament: Up to 16,000 lbs. of externally carried nuclear or conventional bombs, rockets, missiles, or 20mm cannon pods in various combinations
Engines: Two General Electric J-79-GE-15s of 17,000 lbs thrust each with afterburner
Crew: Two

PERFORMANCE
Maximum speed: 1,490 mph. (at 40.000 ft.)
Cruising speed: 590 mph.
Range: 1,750 miles without aerial refueling
Service Ceiling: 59,600 ft.

E.E LIGHTNING:
Span: 34'10"
Height: 19'7"
50,000 lb. loaded
Armament: 2x Firestreak/Red Top missiles, 2x 30mm Aden OR 44 FFAR's, wings can carry 144 FFAR's or 1,000 lb. of bombs.
Performance:
Max. Speed: 1500 mph at 40,000 ft.
Range: 800 miles

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upnorth

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December 2002
From: Canada / Czech Republic

Posted by upnorth on Friday, March 5, 2004 6:34 PM

Being as how Phantoms replaced Lightnings in a lot of RAF units, the comparison is almost not required.

I love em' both by the way :-)

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 5, 2004 8:10 PM

I like the F-4 Phantom, but would need some comparison pics side by side to fully decide.

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jimz66

Member since
December 2002
From: Winsted CT

Posted by jimz66 on Friday, March 5, 2004 8:27 PM

I will put this plan and simple, there never has been, nor will there ever be a nicer looking airplane than the F-4 Phantom II. That is strictly my opionion. Period.

Phantoms rule the skies!!!

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Melgyver

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March 2003
From: Lafayette, LA

Posted by Melgyver on Friday, March 5, 2004 9:26 PM

I'm partial to the Phanthom for "it's" era. The F-86 is my favorite of the early jets.

Clear Left!

Mel

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Jeff Herne

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January 2003

Posted by Jeff Herne on Friday, March 5, 2004 10:23 PM

I agree with Jim...the only aircraft that comes close to the F-4 is the Su-27...

But, since the old man flew RF-4C in the 'Nam, I am partial to them.

Jeff

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 5, 2004 11:51 PM

would you like to put this in the proper perspective,
the Lightning was a INTERCEPTOR, the lightning would be at 50,000ft whilst the phantom jock was still waiting for the back seater to strap in, as for range, both were inflight refuelable, so do's not count, lightning aws designed with a gun, not so the phantom.
the lightning was and alway will be the best in service rapid responce interceptor. (even outclimbs the f15).
and it looks sexier

john
sagindragin
Air Warfare Forum

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roadkill_275

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September 2003
From: North East Texas

Posted by roadkill_275 on Saturday, March 6, 2004 12:55 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Jeff_Herne

I agree with Jim...the only aircraft that comes close to the F-4 is the Su-27....

Jeff

Nah, the only thing that comes close is the MiG-21PFM Tongue [:P]

I will admit that the Su is a sexier ship though

Kevin M. Bodkins "Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup" American By Birth, Southern By the Grace of God! www.milavia.com Christian Modelers For McCain

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murph

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January 2003
From: West of the rock and east of the hard place!

Posted by murph on Saturday, March 6, 2004 7:19 AM

A friend's father was a fighter pilot in the RCAF in the 50's and 60's. He had the opportunity to fly both aircraft and he stated that he preferred the Lightning. We didn't go into a whole lot of discussion about it but he stated the Lightning flew and handled better. But as was stated by sagindragin, both were designed for different roles. One thing Don did say was that Lightning pilots couldn't be very tall or have very long legs. The way the Lightning cockpit was designed was that the pilot sat very close to the instrument panel. If a pilot had to eject, the one with longer legs suffered a greater chance of having his legs / knees broken by the instrument panel as he was leaving the aircraft.

As an aside, Don was also selected to fly in the Arrow program but a few days before he was set to go his orders changed and he was sent out to Cold Lake to do weapons instruction. He was non-plussed by that decision.

Retired and living the dream!

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gregers

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February 2003
From: UK

Posted by gregers on Saturday, March 6, 2004 9:24 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by sagindragin

would you like to put this in the proper perspective,
the Lightning was a INTERCEPTOR, the lightning would be at 50,000ft whilst the phantom jock was still waiting for the back seater to strap in, as for range, both were inflight refuelable, so do's not count, lightning aws designed with a gun, not so the phantom.
the lightning was and alway will be the best in service rapid responce interceptor. (even outclimbs the f15).
and it looks sexier

john
sagindragin
Air Warfare Forum

you said it all brother, Lightnings rule, the rest just drool.
Greg

Why torture yourself when life will do it for you?

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Jeff Herne

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January 2003

Posted by Jeff Herne on Saturday, March 6, 2004 9:29 AM

..you said it all brother, Lightnings rule, the rest just drool...

Which is why I suppose everyone else is flying the F-16, F-15, Su-29, Mig 29, and the Mirage....so they wouldn't have to worry about the drooling, eh??

Just stirring the pot!!

Jeff

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 6, 2004 9:20 PM

Hey, the Phantom was originally designed as a NAVAL INTERCEPTOR. The Lightning wasn't designed for carrier operation. (Didn't have the balls to do it, but OOPS I'm supposed to stay impartial!!!)

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triumf

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August 2003

Posted by triumf on Sunday, March 7, 2004 4:31 PM

Totaly different mission.
Got to love em both thougt. The Phantom for its brute power and the Lightning for the speedy look, looks like mach even on the tarmac Evil [}:)]