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Posted by Toshi on Friday, September 25, 2015 1:09 PM

Gamera

You are making some seroius progress! Wink

 

Thanks to the many forum members insight and experience like you, I am able to move forward with any build I choose to do.  If I'm stuck, I'm not discouraged or upset, I'll just ask a few questions on this forum and in minutes I'll get several replies in how to fix any issues.  I'm not afraid to do things anymore.  The FSM family members of this community are always there!  Thank you for the read and reply!

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, September 25, 2015 7:58 AM

You are making some seroius progress! Wink

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Posted by Toshi on Friday, September 25, 2015 7:33 AM

allan

Keep the pics coming Toshi. :)

 

on a side note, you may want to check on those sparrows. I think weasel Phantoms didn't carry air-to-air weapons.

 

Thank you sir, I will.  So far I have the last of the decals on and now I'm awaiting to spray a sealer on this gigantic bird.  LOL.

Sorry about the sparrows, I just wanted to load as much ordinance on the F4G as much as possible.

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Posted by Toshi on Friday, September 25, 2015 7:30 AM

Jay Jay

Really nice job on this big beauty Toshi.  If I ever build a 1/32 kit ,this is going to be the one, thanks to your inspirational posts.

 

It's no problem at all, always a pleasure sir!  Make sure you find a garage to display this huge beast.  Thank you for the read and reply.

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Posted by Toshi on Friday, September 25, 2015 7:28 AM

crown r n7
Moving right along with that big fella..I like the wrap around sea camo.I remember seeing them at Homestesd AB in the 78
 

Thank you sir, I too like the camouflage depiction.  Thank you for the read and reply.

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Posted by allan on Thursday, September 24, 2015 7:09 PM

Keep the pics coming Toshi. :)

 

on a side note, you may want to check on those sparrows. I think weasel Phantoms didn't carry air-to-air weapons.

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Posted by Jay Jay on Thursday, September 24, 2015 8:30 AM

Really nice job on this big beauty Toshi.  If I ever build a 1/32 kit ,this is going to be the one, thanks to your inspirational posts.

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by crown r n7 on Thursday, September 24, 2015 5:55 AM
Moving right along with that big fella..I like the wrap around sea camo.I remember seeing them at Homestesd AB in the 78

 

 

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Posted by Toshi on Thursday, September 24, 2015 5:43 AM

I'm in the end zone goal scrimmage line, on a 4th and 1, ready to get the touchdown.  Football vernacular.  Once I place the decals on, I'll seal everything in and look for another condo to display this monstrosity.  Yes, it's that big!  

Actually, Mrs. Toshi said to hang it up.  I originally shot the phantom in grey hues, it just did not speak out to me.  I even went for the mono standard grey format and I still, I was not pleased by the outcome.  As you all will know, by this point in the build I must have gone through a gallon worth of paint, at least that was what it felt like.  So the 3rd. coat had to be my last decision.  My next step is the decals and the final matte spray to seal everything in.

Please view the photos below for my update.  Thank you fellow forum members.

Toshi

 

 

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Posted by Toshi on Tuesday, September 22, 2015 5:15 AM

Here is what was done last night, please note that my iPhone camera is acting up, hence the odd discoloration.  It looks like the dark grey is black and the light grey is white.  

Putting that aside, this is the biggest model I've ever assembled.  It looks really cool yet, I don't know where to put it except to hang it up.

Toshi

 

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Posted by Toshi on Monday, September 21, 2015 2:56 PM

plasticjunkie

Let me throw my take on pre shading. There was a discussion on this method on another thread and some of the responses given was that real planes don't have pre shade lines painted and therefore they are unrealistic. Of course real planes don't have pre shade lines painted on, that is not the idea or the answer. The idea behind the pre shading is to fool the human eye into seeing those subtle differences on the surface of the model, and to break up monotone colors to add interest. Pre shading, IMO  has to be very subtle and to just give a hint of texture and color varience. This can also be accomplished by doing post shading, which is spraying a lighter version of the base coat on the panel centers.

I do not pre shade all models so it's a matter of taste, and time spent. I like to shoot gloss black because it tends to flow better than flat colors, diluted 40-50%. I use enamels so I set my Badger Renegade that has a xtra fine tip to shoot at about 5-10 psi. Once I have the job completed, I spray very thin coats of what ever color the scheme takes, over the entire plane but making certain that I do not completely cover the pre shading. Then I go back to each individul panel and begin to lay a heavier coat from the center out and making sure that the preshade is visible as a subtle shadow.

Here is a 1/72 scale F-4J with raised lines which will benefit from the pre shading.

Notice how the pre shading helps to break up the monotone grey and white scheme and adds some interest and texture to the scheme.

SEA schemes are hard to pre shade cause the top coat colors are dark and can easily overtake the pre shade effect so it just takes a bit more AB time to get it right. I see pre shading as the DOT filter method, where the oil paint is wiped off about 98% or so, just leaving a hint.

Toshi this is a little more complex painting method but with some practise anyone can do it.

 

Thank you sir for the deffinition as well as your build.  By the way, your phantom looks great.

Toshi

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Monday, September 21, 2015 12:47 PM

Let me throw my take on pre shading. There was a discussion on this method on another thread and some of the responses given was that real planes don't have pre shade lines painted and therefore they are unrealistic. Of course real planes don't have pre shade lines painted on, that is not the idea or the answer. The idea behind the pre shading is to fool the human eye into seeing those subtle differences on the surface of the model, and to break up monotone colors to add interest. Pre shading, IMO  has to be very subtle and to just give a hint of texture and color varience. This can also be accomplished by doing post shading, which is spraying a lighter version of the base coat on the panel centers.

I do not pre shade all models so it's a matter of taste, and time spent. I like to shoot gloss black because it tends to flow better than flat colors, diluted 40-50%. I use enamels so I set my Badger Renegade that has a xtra fine tip to shoot at about 5-10 psi. Once I have the job completed, I spray very thin coats of what ever color the scheme takes, over the entire plane but making certain that I do not completely cover the pre shading. Then I go back to each individul panel and begin to lay a heavier coat from the center out and making sure that the preshade is visible as a subtle shadow.

Here is a 1/72 scale F-4J with raised lines which will benefit from the pre shading.

Notice how the pre shading helps to break up the monotone grey and white scheme and adds some interest and texture to the scheme.

SEA schemes are hard to pre shade cause the top coat colors are dark and can easily overtake the pre shade effect so it just takes a bit more AB time to get it right. I see pre shading as the DOT filter method, where the oil paint is wiped off about 98% or so, just leaving a hint.

Toshi this is a little more complex painting method but with some practise anyone can do it.

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Posted by Toshi on Monday, September 21, 2015 12:46 PM

Gamera

Hey Toshi, there's both directions there you can go in, either darkening the panel lines or highlighting the centers of the panels. It gets you to the same place in the end so it's mostly just a matter of trying both and seeing which one works best for you. I've never tried the pastels though, so that's a third solution. 

What seems to work for me is: 

1). Paint model in base colour (whatever you want to end up with)

2). Spray a grey slightly darker than the base colour to the panel lines. 

3). You can highlight the centers of panels here if you want as well. I don't do it that often.

4). Spray a couple of light misty coats of the base colour over the whole thing. The misty coats should blend everything together and kill any sharp demarcation in the different shades. Get it almost there and then carefully look the model over. It's easier to add one or two more mist coats than to go too far and end up having to paint everything over again. 

5). You can then 'streak' the model with some thinned lightened base coat applied with quick streaks from front to back following what would be the air flow over the real plane. I picked this up from Lawdog though my attempts still don't look anywhere near as good as his.

Again, there's so many ways to do this, my advice would be to try them all and see which you like best.   

 

Yes, I see what your talking about.  I'll try this on the Phantom build.  Thank you sir!

Toshi

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Posted by Toshi on Monday, September 21, 2015 12:42 PM

I see the situation at hand.  Thank you!

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Posted by Bish on Monday, September 21, 2015 12:18 PM
Toshi, I get the feeling that with pre shading, some get it and some don't. I have tried it using black under quite light colours like RLM 02 and I always lose the darker colour.

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, September 21, 2015 12:12 PM

Hey Toshi, there's both directions there you can go in, either darkening the panel lines or highlighting the centers of the panels. It gets you to the same place in the end so it's mostly just a matter of trying both and seeing which one works best for you. I've never tried the pastels though, so that's a third solution. 

What seems to work for me is: 

1). Paint model in base colour (whatever you want to end up with)

2). Spray a grey slightly darker than the base colour to the panel lines. 

3). You can highlight the centers of panels here if you want as well. I don't do it that often.

4). Spray a couple of light misty coats of the base colour over the whole thing. The misty coats should blend everything together and kill any sharp demarcation in the different shades. Get it almost there and then carefully look the model over. It's easier to add one or two more mist coats than to go too far and end up having to paint everything over again. 

5). You can then 'streak' the model with some thinned lightened base coat applied with quick streaks from front to back following what would be the air flow over the real plane. I picked this up from Lawdog though my attempts still don't look anywhere near as good as his.

Again, there's so many ways to do this, my advice would be to try them all and see which you like best.   

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Posted by Toshi on Monday, September 21, 2015 11:56 AM

Jay Jay

Toshi,

You're certainly a constant inspiration to me to keep on keeping on with my builds. Anytime I consider taking a little break from the hobby, there you are producing the start to another fine build, and this one is no exception.  Thank you so much for the posts.

 

Thank you sir, it is my pleasure.  Besides building/posting my builds, I try my best to read everyone's thread so that I can utilize the specific technique.

It also helps me greatly with my cognition.

Thank you JayJay

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Posted by Toshi on Monday, September 21, 2015 11:52 AM

roger_wilco

 

 
Toshi 
 
Toshi

An update from yesterday, I'm slacking.  LOL!  I was glued to all the football games yesterday.  I have NFL Redzone in which I get to see every game being played.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Gentleman and fellow builders, what am I doing wrong here?  I AB a mixture of black/brown umber to highlight the panel lines!  It always disappears when I lay the base coat.  I'm at 15cfm, mixed the paint to a 25/75 mix, I even went down to a 50/50 mix.  What Jedi mind tricks do I lack?

 

How do your fellow forum members do it?

Toshi

 

 

 

 

Toshi,

Have you considered doing post shading with pastels? This is my preferred method of shading / weathering. The nice thing about it if you make a mistake,a bit of water on a cotton swab takes care of it and you try again...Douglas

 

I will definitely apply this technique on this build.

Thank you sir,

Toshi

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Posted by Toshi on Monday, September 21, 2015 11:50 AM

Thank you sir, I'll try this technique on the Wild Weasel build!

Toshi

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Posted by Toshi on Monday, September 21, 2015 11:49 AM

Your X-Wing fighter looks awesome!  Thank you for the tip.  I'll try that with this build.

Thank you brandonk

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Posted by BrandonK on Monday, September 21, 2015 11:04 AM

Okay Toshi, here is what I have learned with AB panel lines. 

First, prime the surface

Second, using a darker color that the primary color, usually black, paint the panel lines

Third, using your color of choice, paint each PANEL, not the panel line, seperately

Fourth, once the individual panels are all filled in, spray the whole surface lightly and just enough with your base color to give an even look WITHOUT wiping out the preshading panel lines. Just as they seem to begin to disappear STOP. They will comeback just slightly as they dry.

This is how my X-wing came out with this method.

 

I have found that spraying first overall, then post shading is more difficult and I tend to loose my panel line preshading. So, I reversed the process and it worked wonderfully.

I hope this is of use to you. I am sure other, more experienced AB'ers have great advice also.


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Posted by Jay Jay on Monday, September 21, 2015 10:19 AM

Toshi,

You're certainly a constant inspiration to me to keep on keeping on with my builds. Anytime I consider taking a little break from the hobby, there you are producing the start to another fine build, and this one is no exception.  Thank you so much for the posts.

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by roger_wilco on Monday, September 21, 2015 10:04 AM

Toshi

 

 
Toshi

An update from yesterday, I'm slacking.  LOL!  I was glued to all the football games yesterday.  I have NFL Redzone in which I get to see every game being played.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Gentleman and fellow builders, what am I doing wrong here?  I AB a mixture of black/brown umber to highlight the panel lines!  It always disappears when I lay the base coat.  I'm at 15cfm, mixed the paint to a 25/75 mix, I even went down to a 50/50 mix.  What Jedi mind tricks do I lack?

 

How do your fellow forum members do it?

Toshi

 

 

Toshi,

Have you considered doing post shading with pastels? This is my preferred method of shading / weathering. The nice thing about it if you make a mistake,a bit of water on a cotton swab takes care of it and you try again...Douglas

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Posted by rooster513 on Monday, September 21, 2015 8:47 AM

Is that base coat a dark gray? If the base coat is a darker color it'll be difficult to get the preshade to stand out. I'm by no means an expert compared to others around here but after preshading I start in the center of panels and fill all those in first with my base coat. If you try to spray the entire surface with large passes you'll erase the preshade everytime just trying to get a good base color coat on. After getting good coverage on the panel centers I then go back and start to work my way closer to panel lines without actually spraying much paint over them. At this point i start to do sliglthly wider "blending" passes to blend the preshade with the base coat. This is where you have to be careful not to erase your preshade. Just takes pratice and patience to get it how you like it. I"ll try to get some step by step pics up here if I can (though you'll have this thing done long before that:) ).Hope this makes some sense and helps you out!

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Posted by Toshi on Monday, September 21, 2015 5:42 AM

Toshi

An update from yesterday, I'm slacking.  LOL!  I was glued to all the football games yesterday.  I have NFL Redzone in which I get to see every game being played.

 

 

 

 

 

Gentleman and fellow builders, what am I doing wrong here?  I AB a mixture of black/brown umber to highlight the panel lines!  It always disappears when I lay the base coat.  I'm at 15cfm, mixed the paint to a 25/75 mix, I even went down to a 50/50 mix.  What Jedi mind tricks do I lack?

How do your fellow forum members do it?

Toshi

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Posted by Toshi on Monday, September 21, 2015 5:35 AM

An update from yesterday, I'm slacking.  LOL!  I was glued to all the football games yesterday.  I have NFL Redzone in which I get to see every game being played.

 

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Posted by Toshi on Monday, September 21, 2015 5:29 AM

allan

Never, ever let your wife leave you. Ever. 

 

Haha. Actually, my wife is really supportive of my hobby too. Whenever Im in a hobby shop (especially on foreign trips) and I dont find anything that strikes my fancy, she would insist I stay and go around a few more times, and maybe Id find something.

 

Looking forward to your build.  Ive built a (much smaller -- 1/72) F-4G about a decade or so ago.  The last Phantom off my line.

 

Yes, Mrs. Toshi is the best.  She's very understanding with my new hobby.  She has just purchased a Tamiya 1:48 Donier Arrow for me.  This build I am looking forward to.  Your wife too is very much a keeper for you.  Thanks allan for following my builds!

Toshi

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Posted by Toshi on Monday, September 21, 2015 5:26 AM

dirkpitt77

I have been eyeing this one at the local Hobby Lobby as well. Yours is looking good so far. I'll be interested to see how it turns out. The F-4 is one kit that hasn't made it into my stash yet.

 

It's a very fun build, as I never built a Phantom before.  With Hobby Lobby 40% off, you can't go wrong!  I recommend this build as long as you have the space to show it off!

Toshi

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Posted by Toshi on Monday, September 21, 2015 5:22 AM

What strikes me is that the Phantom is so big, it won't fit on my work station.  I have to build it in sections.  

I have a question?  I sprayed black/brown umber to highlight my panel lines, when it's time to paint the phantom.  The lines disappears.  Even if I do a very light coat with 50/50 AB mix.  What am I doing wrong?

Thank you,

Toshi

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