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Dragon 1/72nd He 219 Completed pics page 2

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Dragon 1/72nd He 219 Completed pics page 2
Posted by Bish on Wednesday, September 23, 2015 3:30 PM

After spending a couple of months in the land of the giants building my first 32nd aircraft, i ahve now come back to reality. One German aircrfat type i have yet to build is the He 219. Now i can correct that. While i have all the Dragon 72nd 219's in the stash, i have decided to start with this one.  I am building the aircrfat flwn by Werner Streib on the night of 11/12 June 1943 when he shot down 5 lancatsers in one sortie.

Of course, i started with the pit. But most of the detail tehre is pre coloured PE, so i painted it before adding anything. Black primer follwed by Xtracolour RLM 66.

Undercarrage was also assemebeled, a bit of PE in this, and then painted.

Next up for the pit, the PE and some detailed painting. Also did some light weathering by useing a dry brush and flory black wash.

And the undercarrage also got the same, still need to clean the wash up here.

Now,i have a bit of a problem and i want to see what you guys think. The Dragon instructions call for over all RLM 76 with no mottling. A colour plate in an Osprey book supports this. But two others in different books show very light mottling. One of these books is the Kagero Monograph 49. But in the same book it has some pics of the aircrfat after in crashed returning from that sortie. To me, it looks like there is no mottling. But i just wanted to see what you guys think.

From looking at these, i can only conclude that the mottling is so light it does not show on B&W pics and so Dragon and Osprey have assumed there isn't any.Or Kagero and otehr sources have assumed that seeing as other 219's had motling this must have had but its very light.

Would live to hear what you guys think.

Thats all for now.

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Posted by crown r n7 on Wednesday, September 23, 2015 7:21 PM

I have seen this plane with RLM75 motling almost like dots on upper sirface

 

 

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Posted by allan on Wednesday, September 23, 2015 7:51 PM

Looking forward to another build from you Bish. 

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, September 24, 2015 11:37 AM

Crown, was that a model or actually photo's of the real thing. If the latter, I don't suppose you can recall where do you.

allan, thanks for the vote of confidence.

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Thursday, September 24, 2015 12:00 PM

That's a tough call Bish. One tries to be accurate as possible and sometimes we get stumped. I will go with light mottling as the pictures at least to me are showing some kind of color variation which may be mottling but the picture quality is poor.

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, September 24, 2015 12:13 PM
Thanks PJ. ye, it is a tough one and one of the problem with building from this period. I have a few days at least to decide anyway.

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Posted by crown r n7 on Thursday, September 24, 2015 12:39 PM

 there is a few color pics that show a RLM 83 light green motling late ww2 yes real planes google search HE-219 

 

 

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Posted by Eagle90 on Thursday, September 24, 2015 12:49 PM

Well Bish, I have to ask you about all my German painting questions, but I must say....and I know I must sound like a broken record, but you do with 1/72 scale kits amazes me!  That pit is looking awesome!  Smashing job sir!  Bow Down

 

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, September 24, 2015 1:04 PM
crown, thanks for the info. problem is this is a very specific aircraft. It was not a production one but one of a number of pre production aircraft, this being the 9th one, that the Germans used to evaluate the type and various equipment such as radar. Previous aircraft were painted black, and as was the German practice, they used some of these pre production aircraft to evaluate the type in combat before being excepted into service. So the normal rules of the scheme don't always apply, hence the issue with this one. Eagle, thanks buddy. But I can't take much credit for it apart from gluing the bits on.

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Posted by crown r n7 on Thursday, September 24, 2015 1:46 PM

NP. I know they tried to hide them any way possible with the paint on hand

 

 

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Thursday, September 24, 2015 3:32 PM

I have been trying to find pictures of the Uhu and my reference book says that 219 pictures are rare. I somehow suspect subtle mottling on Streib's ride.

I have this one in 1/32. Another hint Bish Wink

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, September 24, 2015 4:01 PM

I know what you mean PJ. I have quite a few books and images are not aplenty, and the only ones of this aircraft are after it crashed. There is one I did not copy and that's of the cockpit which separated like an escape pod  and slid 50m down the runway from the fuselage. There is defiantly no mottling there. The more I look, the more I am convinced its just blue. there are other poor quality images where the mottling is apparent.

Thanks for all the input guys, and please keep it coming.

And PJ, already there. Wink Got the Revell kit.

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Posted by Toshi on Friday, September 25, 2015 7:13 AM

What a fantastic job you've done, I love the detailed look that you put into this build!

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Posted by Bish on Friday, September 25, 2015 1:49 PM
Thanks Toshi.

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Posted by Bish on Monday, September 28, 2015 2:33 PM

Just a quick update. Got the cockpit fitted and the fuselage and wings all attached. Still have a little bit of sanding to do and a few small bits to add before priming.

I also got the 2 crew painted and fitted. I used the shoulder parts of the PE belts. they look a bit big here but they are not quite as bad in the flesh, though i thnik the figures are a little on the small side. I also replaced the kit Revi 16B sight with a esin Quickboost one.

One slight problem with the kit is this grove on the left under the pit.

This is were the access ladder folds up into. Its a really nice idea by Dragon, but it would have been nicer if they had actually included the ladder. So i either have to scratchbuld one or put some styrene in here for a closed ladder. In this kit, i am going for the latter.

Thats all for now, should have the primer on in a day or two.

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Posted by BrandonK on Monday, September 28, 2015 5:16 PM

Bish, Here is one that is not an A-0 but an A-1 and it is very lightly mottled on the upper surface only.  I'll keep looking.

BK

Try looking here. There are 5 pages of only He219's, some have extremely light mottling.

http://www.warbirdphotographs.com/luftwaffephotos/lhe2191.htm

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Monday, September 28, 2015 8:36 PM

Hey Bish, where are you adding the weight to keep the nose down?

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Posted by UKguyInUSA on Monday, September 28, 2015 8:55 PM
Great work in that cockpit and the figures look great, too! :)
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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, September 29, 2015 12:33 AM
BK, thanks for that link, some great pics. But I think for this I am settled on a plain blue finish without the mottling. I have been studying those pics every day and the more I look the more I am convinced. PJ,i don't. I gave up on that a couple of years ago as I always secure my aircraft to the base, so the weight is not needed. UK, thank you.

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Tuesday, September 29, 2015 8:21 AM

Cool Idea Bish pinning the wheels to the base. It keeps unwanted fingerprints off the model. Great job on the pit and those tiny figures dude. I have a hard time with figures in 1/35 Geeked. Given the size of this plane, I should have gone with 1/48 or even 1/72 as the 1/32 I have is gargantuan in size.

 

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, September 29, 2015 12:39 PM
I have always pinned my models to bases, manly as I do dio's anyway, but even if they are not a part of a diorama. Until a couple of years ago I was still adding weight, then I realised what a waste of time it was. As you know I am new to 32nd, but looking at the Revell kit in the box, I can see its a whooper. These 4 Dragon kits and a Revell one which I believe is a re mould of a1960's kit are I think the only option in 72nd.

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Posted by rooster513 on Tuesday, September 29, 2015 1:57 PM

Coming along beautifully Bish! Really like the cockpit detail! Thanks for sharing.

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, September 29, 2015 4:38 PM
Thanks roster. She is almost ready for some primer and paint.

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Posted by Phil_H on Tuesday, September 29, 2015 7:41 PM

Looking good so far Smile

Bish
These 4 Dragon kits and a Revell one which I believe is a re mould of a1960's kit are I think the only option in 72nd.

There was also a '60's Frog kit which was re-released in a Revell box a few years ago. This seems to have replaced Revell's own kit, which had "opening" engine cowls, a decidedly flat canopy and a forest of rivets.

Similarly, Revell reboxed Frog's He162 in place of their own about the same time. 

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Posted by allan on Tuesday, September 29, 2015 8:00 PM

Shaping up really well, Bish.  The crew figures do look rather small;  their heads are about a half inch below the headrests!

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, September 30, 2015 12:53 AM
Thanks guys. Phil, I did come across that revell re boxing of the Frog kit, I was aware that Revell had done there own as well. allan, ye, I noticed that. The kits seems to match to scale plans, my guess is that as with quit a few 72nd figures, they are actually 76th.

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Posted by Bish on Friday, October 2, 2015 3:51 PM

I got all the construction finished tonight so my 219 is now ready for painting. For some reason i neglected geting an Eduard mask. So i did it with masking tape but was not to confidant in the result. So i ordered an Eduard set Wed and it arrived today. Once that was done, i got the antenna's added and she was ready.

I filled the groove for the ladder with some strip styrene.

And i really like the look of this aircraft from head on. There isjust somthing about the shape of that canopy.

As soon as i took this, it was off to the spray booth for a coat of RLM 66 on the canopy. Tomorrow it should be ready for primer and then paint.

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Posted by crown r n7 on Friday, October 2, 2015 3:59 PM

Did you decide on the camouflage ?

 

 

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Posted by Bish on Friday, October 2, 2015 4:03 PM
Yep, going to go with plain Blue. No matter how hard I try I can't see any mottling in the pics after the crash. If I am proved wrong later, I will take it on the chin. But as they are the only pics I am aware of, I think it will be one of those things we can't prove 100% either way. But my instinct tells me there is no mottling.

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Posted by crown r n7 on Friday, October 2, 2015 4:15 PM

for what is worth there is a site called wings palette they have that plane listed w/wo mottling 

 

 

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