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Completed! Eduard 1/48 Fokker EV in Polish Service

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Sunday, November 29, 2015 6:45 AM

This is not the first first or the last time that a model company messes up with being accurate with markings and color call outs.  

BD you did an outstanding job on a little jewel of a kit. 

 

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Posted by BrandonD on Saturday, November 28, 2015 3:39 PM

Marc and John - thanks! I think my biggest area of improvment for WWI-vintage aircraft is going to be props (oh, and rigging). I have some of Eduard's newer offerings in the stash (a Dr.I and a Spad) as well as a Roden D.VII. I might have been bitten by the biplane bug (even though this, of course, isn't a biplane).

-BD-

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Posted by jeaton01 on Wednesday, November 25, 2015 12:07 AM

Looks great to me.  I built the Eduard Siemens Schuckert D.IIIa, I think it was their first kit and it sounds like this one was also pretty early for them.  Same issues with thick plastic and approximate fits, same pe interior.  Nothing like the finesse and dqintiness of the later kits.

John

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Posted by wing_nut on Tuesday, November 24, 2015 5:54 PM
BD, you should be very happy with that one. I know I'm happy just from seeing it.

Marc  

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Posted by BrandonD on Tuesday, November 24, 2015 4:09 PM

Well, I am going to say this is done. This kit was a huge challenge with incredibly thick and badly-molded plastic with huge sprue gates, terrible fit and lots of little issues. I'm glad that most of the detail was PE, as I had to sand a ton on the fuselage and wings. That said, I still had a blast building it, though I imagine Eduard's new tooling of this one is much, much easier.

Here are the pics:

Thanks again to everyone who helped point out the differences between the D.VIII and the EV.

-BD-

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Posted by BrandonD on Monday, November 23, 2015 2:06 AM

Lol, Wing_Nut. I got the wheels done, but still need to mount them. Rightnow I'm trying to paint the propeller realistically. Hopefully I can pull it off.

Then it's trying to decide if I really want to add all the fiddly PE bits (Yes, but will I?).

-BD-

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Posted by wing_nut on Tuesday, November 17, 2015 7:49 AM

BrandonD

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This is really looking like it's gonna be a real beauty.   And nice you don't have to deal with any fragile spindly parts Whistling

 

Marc  

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Posted by BrandonD on Monday, November 16, 2015 11:37 PM

BrandonK and Jay Jay - thanks!

Just a quick update tonight. I got the wing attached, which was not without a couple of hiccups, but here it is. This is the first time I've built a plane with a wing that doesn't attach directly to the fuselage, and I had to enlarge the holes on both the wing and the fuselage to get the pins to fit.

Hopefully I can make progress on the landing gear tonight.

-BD-

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Posted by Jay Jay on Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:12 AM

At this point all I can say is WOW in admiration.

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by BrandonK on Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:07 AM

That is a pretty cool effect with the streaking. It looks really really good. This is shaping up to be a beautiful build.

BK

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Posted by BrandonD on Thursday, November 12, 2015 1:52 AM

Pawel - Thanks for the additional information. Happy Independence Day!

Antoni - at first when I read your response, I thought, "D'oh! Well, it's going to have to be OK as-is, because it's too late to fix."

But I actually owe Eduard an apology of sorts - while the box lists it as a D.VIII, the markings sheet actually lists this one as an EV, and it has decals for an EV with SN 197.18. The sideways S blocks much of the serial number, so I made sure it blocked the 7.

As for the wing, I had already applied decals, but thought that if I'm not building it to look accurate, why am I building it at all? So I took out my Tamiya thinner and my Tamiya Buff and, by dipping a 10-0 brush in thinner, then paint, I put it on the wing and streaked it, re-dipping in thinner as needed.

I ended up with the effect you can see below.

I also painted the rudder, added lozenge decals to the fillet, and then glued it on tonight, along with the guns.

Next up will be gloss clear on the wing, then a panel line wash to highlight the ailerons, and then a flat clear on the whole thing.

After that, it's mounting the wing.

Thanks again for all the info. I'm happy with how it looks now, and I'm glad I was able to stay away from the decals with my streaking. Also, thanks for the info on the Lublin reference.

-BD-

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Posted by antoni on Wednesday, November 11, 2015 10:40 AM

There has only realy one reference for the Lublin in English, from Profile Publications in the 1970s. It can be found on EBay, Amazon and the specialists like Kingkit.

 

http://www.kingkit.co.uk/product_detail.php?prodID=10775

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Posted by Toshi on Wednesday, November 11, 2015 5:10 AM

There are issues of which you have fully under controlled.  Everything looks fantastic!  Great job.

 

Toshi

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  • From: Poland
Posted by Pawel on Wednesday, November 11, 2015 3:51 AM

Brandon - nice looking build and I'm glad that you chose a Polish subject! Very nice timing, too, as today, 11.11 in Poland we celebrate our Independence day. Your model is closely connected to the day of 11.11.1918 when we regained our nationality after over a hundred years when Poland as an independent country just didn't exist.

I don't know much about WWI planes, but I can tall you that the fixes Antoni mentioned still can be done - I mean it's all about markings. I just checked it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fokker_D.VIII - E. V and D. VIII were basically the same design (markings would be different), the serial number also can be re-done. You could even try to do some dry-brush streaking on the wing in places where you still don't have any decals. So good luck with your build and have a nice day

Paweł

All comments and critique welcomed. Thanks for your honest opinions!

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Posted by BrandonD on Tuesday, November 10, 2015 11:44 PM

Well, I got the lozenge decals down on all but the landing gear subassembly, and I have to say, they went down pretty painlessly. I still need to trim around the cockpit and cowling once the Micro-Sol is dry, but that should hopefully go well with a fresh blade.

I'm going to spray another clear coat to protect the lozenge before I go forward with the rest of the fuselage decals. Kind of a bummer knowing it's not accurate, but for this kit, I don't think I have the patience to try to fix the issues.

-BD-

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Posted by BrandonD on Tuesday, November 10, 2015 8:40 PM

Jay Jay and BrandonK - Thank you! Just got the clear coat applied and hope to get to decals tonight.

Antoni - wow, that's too bad Eduard got it wrong. I appreciate the history, and now I'm wishing I had known all that before I got this far into it. At this point, I don't think I can really go back and fix the issues, although I suppose I could just make it a German plane.

Speaking of Polish planes, though, I have the Mirage kit of the 1/48 Lublin seaplane, and I've got the Part PE set for it. I've done some research on it, but there doesn't seem to be too much that's authoritative in English that I've been able to find. Do you happen to have a bit of history for that one? I'd love to know I'm getting it right, even if this one is more fiction than fact.

Thanks again, all!

-BD-

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Posted by BrandonK on Tuesday, November 10, 2015 9:08 AM

Looks like a nice little kit. Looking forward to seeing it complete. There is something about those early birds that I really like.

BK

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Posted by Jay Jay on Tuesday, November 10, 2015 7:32 AM

It looks like you have your hands full with this one, but you're doing a smashing job so far. Can't wait to see how your well practiced hands beautify this kit.

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by antoni on Tuesday, November 10, 2015 6:09 AM

 

A nice subject but unfortunately Eduard perpetuate some common errors about this aircraft.

First it was an E.V not D.VIII.

The serial number was 193/18 not 183/18. Poland possessed fifteen E.Vs and one D.VIII, none of them 183/18. The number is obscured by Bastyr's personal emblem and has been misinterpreted from photographs.

The aircraft still had its original German camouflage and the green of the wings was streaky not a solid colour.

Only the rudder was painted red and white. The horizontal tail surfaces including the elevators were lozenge fabric. At the time the various regional groups adopted different distinctive markings on their aircraft. A red and white fin/rudder was used by the Lwów group and for some reason some people have extrapolated from this that they also painted the tails read and white which was not the case.

In November 1918 a war developed between Poland and the Western-Ukrainian Republic for the possession of East Galicia and the City of Lwów. In March/April 1919 two Fokker E.Vs were presented by the province of Wielkopolska to the defenders of the City of Lwów. These aircraft were used by the 7th Eskadra Lotnicza, flown by Bastyr and Stec, in operations against Ukrainian forces, not Bolsheviks as is often stated. In May 1919 the 7th Flight had three Fokker E.Vs, three Brandenburgs and a LVG CV I. By June the flight had almost ceased to exist because of a lack of equipment. With war with Russia looking increasingly likely, Stec suggested that all Fokker E.Vs in the Lwów. Area be brought together in the 7th Eskadra, transforming it into a fighter unit. This was agreed by HQ and in August the eskadra received 12 Albatros (Oef) D IIIs purchased from Austria. Elsewhere the Fokker E.V saw only limited combat use, with other Polish Eskadras never having more than three machines at any one time. NB. At this time the 7th Eskadra was not called ‘Kościuszko' (correctly pronounced Kosh-TSYUSH-ko not Ko-shew-sco.) The name originated only after the flying personnel were replaced by American volunteer pilots in Autumn 1919. In December the Eskadra was officially given the title ‘7 Eskadra Myśliwska im. Tadeusza Kościuszki.' Bastyr died in a Fokker DVII crash during the Battle of Lwów in 1920. Heart failure is thought to have been the cause. Stec survived the Russo-Polish war but was killed in an air accident in 1921.


Stec's regular, or original E.V, was 185/18. This aircraft was similar to Bastyr's but had no CWL number on the fuselage and Stec's personal emblem was a horizontal letter S with a four-pointed red and white star superimposed on it. Stec had used this emblem while serving with Flik 3 (Austria) in WW I. Evidently Stec's emblem was the model for Bastyr's horizontal 8. Stec also flew 187/18. This aircraft had the later style chessboards with contrasting borders on the wings. The fin and rudder were completely white with a chessboard painted on. The CWL number 001 was painted in white above the black ‘Fok E.V. Later Stec's emblem was painted on the fuselage side and the CWL number moved forward (like 193/18) suggesting that it might have become a replacement for 185/18. The fin and rudder were also painted red and white.

Bastyr's E.V was later destroyed in a crash while being flown by Lt Idzikowski.

 

 

 

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Completed! Eduard 1/48 Fokker EV in Polish Service
Posted by BrandonD on Tuesday, November 10, 2015 1:09 AM

Hi all,

So I have wanted to build a Polish plane after visiting the country earlier this year, and I found this little Eduard plane on consignment at the hobby shop and went with it.

It's the older version of the kit (I hear they have a new one with much better plastic out now). Anyway, the plastic is really thick, with huge sprue gates, and the rest is PE, and there is a LOT of PE considering how few plastic parts there are.

Here is the box and contents:

I got to work on the cockpit, and what you see here is about 23 PE parts, and I left off a few because literally no one can see the little hooks on the backs of the rudder pedals or the tubing behind the instrument panel.

I assembled the airframe, and it took a lot of filler. I sanded and filled, then sanded and filled. On this plane, the only metal parts of the fuselage are the cowling and the top, forward of the cockpit. Those parts are painted green, and I found that Model Master's RLM Dark Green is a pretty close match to the Polish planes from what I can tell. The rest will be covered by lozenge decals.

Did Eduard cut the lozenge decals for us? No. But that was actually kind of fun, because I got to make little templates, and fortunately the contours are pretty simple.

Once I had all the lozenge templates made, I added the PE bits for final assembly.

I shot a coat of black on it, then followed with the green. The single, high-mounted wing actually takes the green paint as well, so I shot it, top and bottom, and probably obliterated my shading on top, leaving it sort of boring, but some post-shading might be in order.

After making sure I had good coverage on the underside of the rear stabilizer, the cowling and hood, I shot the rest of the airframe with what was left in the airbrush just to give the decals something other than black to lay down over in case any issues arise.

The tail will be mostly painted (in the white and red of the Polish flag), but the fillet will have lozenge decals as well.

I'm hoping the decals go down well, since that's a good portion of the finish. If they don't, I may buy the new mold of the kit or go for the Dragon one that's on sale at Sprue Brothers now. Fortunately, my test scrap went down well, and I'm hopeful.

This one will be finished in the box art markings (albeit with the darker pattern lozenge, as the kit didn't supply enough of the lighter pattern, and the instructions call for the darker pattern anyway). The plane will depict a Polish Air Force bird in 1919.

-BD-

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