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1/48 swastika kill marks
Posted by Don Eisenhart on Tuesday, February 23, 2016 4:59 PM

Howdy all, 

I am thinking about building another Short-Fuse Sallee, a P-51D from Tamyia.  I want this to look like a museam piece, but the swastika kill marks are the filled in type, for world wide distribution. 

I need a swastika kill mark with a black background, and a white swastika.  Okay, I need at least 20 of them.  

I could not find them after market, so can anyone point me to a source?

Or, short of just using a black swastika with no background, a good solution?

Thanks, 

Don 

 

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Posted by B299X on Tuesday, February 23, 2016 5:47 PM

Hi Don,

AeroMaster produced a sheet, Mustangs Forever pt. 4 #48-479 that includes "Short-Fuse Sallee" with the correct kill markings.

HTH

Tony H.

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Posted by Don Eisenhart on Tuesday, February 23, 2016 7:32 PM

Tony, 

Thanks, it's is looking like you might be right.  CPT Turner had 11 kills June, 1944.  

I have to check to see if the invasion stripes went completely up the sides. 

Thanks again, 

Don 

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Posted by Don Eisenhart on Tuesday, February 23, 2016 7:33 PM

Now that is overwhelming! 

Thanks, 

Don 

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Posted by Don Eisenhart on Tuesday, February 23, 2016 7:46 PM

Tony, 

Hold the phone!  I have a photo of Turner with Short-Fuse Sallee, and the kill marks are black with with swastika's being white.  

I am still looking for the reference for the 354th FG at D-Day. 

Thanks, 

Don 

Follow up... 

http://www.midwaysailor.com/photos/mustang-sallee.html 

 

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Posted by B299X on Tuesday, February 23, 2016 10:23 PM

Yes Don,

now I understand why some people referred to AeroMaster as "ErrorMaster".

Kalmbach Books published a book, 10 years ago, "American Fighters Over Europe" colors and markings of USAAF fighters in WWII that illustrates "Short-Fuse Sallee" as you described her. And they only show the D-Day stripes remaining on the lower wings and fuselage. 

HTH

Tony H.

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Posted by Don Eisenhart on Wednesday, February 24, 2016 6:46 AM

Thanks again Tony, 

I have a few book references that show the same thing.  The photos I have of Turner and SFS show him by the prop, not the whole plane. 

I just ordered his book, Mustang Pilot. 

But, I think I have this figure out now! 

Tamyia's kits are really accurate, for the most the part.  The instructions state SFS from being from Fall, 1944, with Turner having 20 kills marks.  Most references say he had between 11 and 13.  The 354th FG would allow pilots to count ground kills for the markings, but they would not be counted towards that magic number of "5" for an ace. 

Turner's book should clear that up. 

Also, and this is brilliant from Tamyia, they have TWO decals for kill marks, #61 and #62.  To make this an international kit, they ONLY show #61, which is the PC swastika.  To get the historically correct swastika, you have to add #62.  

ErrorMaster has decals for SFS, and I have no idea who designed them, but they should be fired.  

And, I have found references showing the 356th FS planes with invasion strips both up the sides, and stopping under the star markings.  Having been a Soldier (I am retired now), I know that ground crews most likely put these on at the last minute.  Some confussion was bound to happen, resulting in the crew chiefs making the best decision they could to meet the C/O's intent. 

Finally, the link I gave, http://www.midwaysailor.com/photos/mustang-sallee.html shows an airshow SFS.  Not necessarily historically accurate. 

And again, from what part of SFS history was that plane based on?  Forget which year, in a fast moving combat environment it would be based on a single day. 

 

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