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                        B-17 question

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                        wibhi2
                        • Member since
                          March 2003
                        • From: Brooklyn
                        B-17 question
                        Posted by wibhi2 on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 9:08 AM
                        What version of the B-17 had the nose turret but no guns in the turret? Is this a photo recce version?

                        http://www.nose-art.net/welch.htm
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                        chasblake99
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                          December 2002
                        • From: Boise ID
                        Posted by chasblake99 on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 9:34 AM
                        All the B-17's on that web site are G's. Tthe guns are in the turret, they are just turned so you can't see them or they have been removed because the aircraft was being decommissioned.
                        Charles NKAWTG (My KC-135R at RAF Fairfird during Allied Force) Pilots without crew chiefs are nothing but pedestrians with nice sunglasses and a cool jacket. Crew Chiefs RULE!
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                        Swanny
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                          February 2003
                        • From: Sandusky Ohio, USA
                        Posted by Swanny on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 10:00 AM
                        The search and rescue aircraft had the nose turret replaced with a radar unit that had a similar profile.
                        Swanny's Models
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                        mandrake
                        • Member since
                          April 2003
                        • From: Mexico
                        Posted by mandrake on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 10:46 AM
                        Does anybody knows why when the B-17 was on the grownd the chin turret was almost always pointed to the right? like in those pics ( http://www.nose-art.net/welch.htm )

                        thanks in advance
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                        Me.
                        Thanks! My Best Regards Hector Reymundo
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                        jridge
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                          April 2003
                        • From: West Des Moines, IA USA
                        Posted by jridge on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 10:56 AM
                        They were turned to the right so the ground crew could open the access panels from the outside. The access panels are visible in the photos.
                        Jim The fate of the Chambermaid http://30thbg.1hwy.com/38thBS.html
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                        wibhi2
                        • Member since
                          March 2003
                        • From: Brooklyn
                        Posted by wibhi2 on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 2:52 PM
                        Thanks for the responces - who sez ya don't learn something new every day.
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                        shrikes
                        • Member since
                          November 2003
                        • From: Manila, Philippines
                        Posted by shrikes on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 8:42 PM
                        Was this the standard position for the chin turret when the plane was on the ground (say... like when the plane was parked for the night)? Also, were the ball/top turrets facing front or back?
                        Blackadder: This plan's as cunning as a fox that used to be Professor of cunning at Oxford University but has now moved on and is working with the U.N at the high commission of cunning planning
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                        mandrake
                        • Member since
                          April 2003
                        • From: Mexico
                        Posted by mandrake on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 9:54 PM
                        I dont know for sure, i can tell you that all the pics of the B-17G that i have seen has the chin turret pointing to the right, even in the Squadron walk around book theres a pic of a chin turret with a written that says "STOW IN EXTREME RIGHT POSITION AT A -3 DEGREE ELEVATION" i would say this was the "stand-by" position maybe also because of the remote control that was hung to the right of the bombardier, hopefuly someone out there may clarify this doubt

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                        Hector.
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                        nkm1416@info.com.ph
                        • Member since
                          September 2003
                        • From: Philippines
                        Posted by nkm1416@info.com.ph on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 2:53 AM
                        Hope really that there's someone who can clarify this coz I pose my B-17Gs' chin turrets facing front with the guns pointing upwards
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                        shrikes
                        • Member since
                          November 2003
                        • From: Manila, Philippines
                        Posted by shrikes on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 5:56 AM
                        nkm: yeah, i was going to do this too, but now i dunno what's more accurate... Big Smile [:D]
                        Blackadder: This plan's as cunning as a fox that used to be Professor of cunning at Oxford University but has now moved on and is working with the U.N at the high commission of cunning planning
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                        wibhi2
                        • Member since
                          March 2003
                        • From: Brooklyn
                        Posted by wibhi2 on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 10:17 AM
                        All the pics I've seen shows the guns forward and up (headroom clearence). I brought these pictures (link) up because of the panels (clear?) and the guns appear to be not there on these particular chin turrets
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                        eagle334
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                          March 2003
                        • From: plopped down in front of this computer.
                        Posted by eagle334 on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 1:17 PM
                        What you see is the back of the turret. The clear windows were for inspection. If you look at the bottom of the turret you can see openings where the rear of the machine guns would stick out if the muzzle was at its highest elevation. Some of the photos show this. All of the cheek blisters have weapons in them except for the ones ready to be scrapped (D-Day Gal and Unfinished Business)
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                        shrikes
                        • Member since
                          November 2003
                        • From: Manila, Philippines
                        Posted by shrikes on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 3:43 PM
                        Hmmm... hey, fellas, maybe we should make a poll on which one is more accurate, because i'm really curious. None of my references cover this particular aspect of the B-17G. Either that or there was no standard procedure....
                        Blackadder: This plan's as cunning as a fox that used to be Professor of cunning at Oxford University but has now moved on and is working with the U.N at the high commission of cunning planning
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                        mandrake
                        • Member since
                          April 2003
                        • From: Mexico
                        Posted by mandrake on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 4:08 PM
                        could be also..... but i insist, if you can take a look at the squadron book, (the walk aroud one) you will se the pic i am talking about and mostly all of the G´s in there has the turret pointin to the right, hopefuly we will find a helping hand that will clarify this doubts Big Smile [:D]
                        Thanks! My Best Regards Hector Reymundo
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                        nkm1416@info.com.ph
                        • Member since
                          September 2003
                        • From: Philippines
                        Posted by nkm1416@info.com.ph on Thursday, March 18, 2004 8:44 PM
                        I have another Squadron publication (B-17s in Profile), same thing, nose turrets pointing to the right.
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                        nkm1416@info.com.ph
                        • Member since
                          September 2003
                        • From: Philippines
                        Posted by nkm1416@info.com.ph on Thursday, March 18, 2004 11:40 PM
                        Originally posted by nkm1416@info.com.ph

                        I have another Squadron publication (B-17s in Profile)

                        sorry for the mix-up. The B-17 profile is by Profile Books Limited. The Squadron publication book is their Fighting Colors series B-17 Flying Fortress in Color by Steve Birdsall
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                        wibhi2
                        • Member since
                          March 2003
                        • From: Brooklyn
                        Posted by wibhi2 on Friday, March 19, 2004 8:48 AM
                        okay, I'm wrong. Went back and looked at my references (yeah, yeah....I'm getting old and my memory is shot) turrets to the right, guns up.
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                        mandrake
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                          April 2003
                        • From: Mexico
                        Posted by mandrake on Monday, March 22, 2004 10:00 PM
                        Any news yet??
                        Thanks! My Best Regards Hector Reymundo
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