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Dynamite P-47 Documentary on YT: Required for all WWII students

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Dynamite P-47 Documentary on YT: Required for all WWII students
Posted by EBergerud on Thursday, October 6, 2016 2:55 AM

I teach and write military history for a living and have seen a megaton of military documentaries, and the P-47 has been well represented. However, I just ran into one yesterday that I had never heard of and it is remarkable. Get the titile right so you don't run into one of several Jug themed docu-pics: "Thunderbolts - Conquest of the Reich." Hap Arnold had 6 camera crews attached to the 362d FG Group in early March 1945 and they followed the FG until war's end. I'd guess the show was done in the 90s because several pilots chime in. I've never seen such extraordinary gun camera work. There were engagements with the LW, but for the most part the Jugs were hitting ground targets - and AC losses between 1 March-7 May were 48 Jugs destroyed - 100% casualty rate. (Not every pilot was KIA, but many were.) I've never seen an allied docu that was so blunt about losses. Nor have I ever seen P-47s straffing horse drawn vehicles (yea, the horses blow up). Super color from top to bottom and excellent narration. As far as modeling goes, it certainly argues for restrained weathering - plane losses were so high, that replacement AC made up the bulk of the FG by VE Day. (There were a couple of razorbacks around though. Other color documentaries from less violent periods show a wider variety of spanking new to almost ancient fighters.) What this captures is the almost insane momentum of WWII. You'd think as the outcome of the war was clear, that people would have been getting cautious. (Many were - and you can't blame them.) In reality, it was one of the most violent periods of the war. 1944 in the ETO was the worst year, but 45 might have topped it if it had lasted 12 months. And allied planes were used on everything and anything - in an amazing way, war had become normal. I've talked to well over a hundred WWII fighter jockeys, and they have a kind of swagger. (Many even said they regretted hearing the war was over. Sure never heard that from a bomber crewman.) But looking at odds like that - much worse than fighter units employed in bomber escort - appears to have put the chill into almost everyone. But they kept flying. A world upside down.

Eric

 

 

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Posted by WannabeFarmboy on Thursday, October 6, 2016 5:22 AM

That was excellent! Great find. 

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Posted by Befudled on Friday, October 7, 2016 9:16 AM
I'll have to give this a watch. I can never pass up a good opportunity to learn about the ETO in WWII, especially when it's about the air war.
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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Friday, October 7, 2016 9:35 AM

Haven't checked it out yet but a requirement for WW2 students? With Common CORE, no. Some may find it disturbing to watch livestock gunned down but alas it was the reality of war. For college, yes, Junior high and high school. No.

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Posted by EBergerud on Friday, October 7, 2016 1:13 PM

Too nasty for the junior high set? I don't think so. There is less gore on that show than you'd find in any network criminal procedural. (Ever notice how many of those shows begin with a close-up of a newly killed beautiful woman - often in the never absent morgue?) And there are the movies. A few years back I wrote two books about Vietnam. A photographer for the 25th Division kindly lent me some dynamite photos. He had a "private collection" of very grim photos showing the dead and mangled victims of the war. Such things don't get into the American press. (Some nations are less squeemish.) Anyway, he took his photos to an 8th grade class. He was a combat infantryman (there was no photographer MOS at battalion level in that war - more of an informal position) and took them to an 8th grade class to tell them about the already forgotten war. The teacher wanted his students to see the "dark side" so out come the "private collection." The gent told me that the students were utterly unmoved. They were so used to "slasher movies" that nothing in the photos had any shock value.

Regardless, I've been around military aviation history for 25 years now. And among its many fans there is still too much emphasis on the "joust" and a too great emphasis on planes rather than pilots and/or tactical situation. I made a post on a short YouTube comparing with the Mustang with the FW190D. There were hundreds of posts. Only a handful got the picture that the P-51 was dangerous because it was 1) well piloted and usually had cover from the wing; 2) could out-dive any German plane; 3) it could get to the battlefield. That very good Jug documentary I recommended does pound home what happens when you let 50 jabos loose on the countryside to both those in the plane and those being attacked by it. That's a thumbs up.

Eric 

 

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