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P-61 W.I.P. (the slo - poke build)

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P-61 W.I.P. (the slo - poke build)
Posted by littletimmy on Friday, October 13, 2017 7:37 PM

This is the Revell 2015 Re-re-re-re-release of this classic Monogram kit.

First up sprue shot's.

Let us not forget the "catastrophy canopy's"

The first problem I'm going to have to address is the plastic crazing on most of the kit

I'm going to guess that this kit was made on a Monday morning. The plastic was not up to temperature when my kit was formed in the injection machine.

It's covered in "textured" plastic in many places and shallow "vallys all over.

That curved black line around the engine nacel is deeper than the panel lines!

 

On the above part the cold join is almost a crack in the plastic!

Both side's of the fusalage have crazing mark's .

 

Both side's of one of the boom's

On the plus side there was very little flash.

Oh yea.... the decal's.

I have my work cut out for me. I can save it. Thank the sprue gods I'm not doing a natural metal finish!

OH HOW I WISH I HAD BOUGHT AN ORIGINALL ISSUE!!!!

 

                      Dont worry about the thumbprint... paint it rust and call it "Battle damage" !

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Posted by Retired In Kalifornia on Friday, October 13, 2017 7:42 PM

I didn't buy an original issue, did buy an original issue FROG P-61 albeit decade and a half after it was released. Kit was minimalist, did get it built & painted, could still be in existence somewhere out there...

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  • From: Douglas AZ
Posted by littletimmy on Friday, October 13, 2017 8:04 PM

It's nice that you can build it with one engine opened up but on the displayed engine the cowl flaps are molded closed and on the other engine (which has just enough parts to "represent" an engine) the cowl flap's are molded open.

I will be doing some "carving!

                      Dont worry about the thumbprint... paint it rust and call it "Battle damage" !

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  • From: Streetsboro, Ohio
Posted by Toshi on Friday, October 13, 2017 9:24 PM

I’ll be following closely and I will be looking forward to your WIP.

Toshi

 

Retired due to work related injury

Married to the most caring, loving, understanding, and beautiful wife in the world.  Mrs. Toshi

 

ON THE BENCH:

Revell B-17G Flying Fortress 

NEXT BUILD:

Mrs. Toshi just purchased for me a Tamiya 1/48 Ki-61 via eBay, when it arrives, as always, I’ll do a WIP.  Thanks to M.Brindos and Model Maniac for the heads up and the inspiration in obtaining this kit for my next build.

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Posted by M. Brindos on Friday, October 13, 2017 10:40 PM

I am very VERY much looking forward to watching how you tackle the problems you are going to find during this build. I've stayed away from this kit because it was terrible when I was a kid lol.

I imagine it's going to be a very tough nut to crack being a  3rd or 4th re release lol!

This is modeling. :)

- Mike Brindos

Figure Painting Moderator -- Genessis-Models

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  • From: Lancaster, South Carolina
Posted by Devil Dawg on Friday, October 13, 2017 10:48 PM

littletimmy

It's nice that you can build it with one engine opened up but on the displayed engine the cowl flaps are molded closed and on the other engine (which has just enough parts to "represent" an engine) the cowl flap's are molded open.

I will be doing some "carving! 

Might give you a good reason to learn resin casting, and make a copy of the open cowl flaps......

Devil Dawg

On The Bench: Travel 1/48th Hasegawa A-7 Corsair II;  Travel 1/48th Hasegawa F/A-18F Super Hornet;  Travel 1/48th Eduard/Hasegawa Ultimate Sabre with "MiG Mad Marine" markings;

Build one at a time? Hah! That'll be the day!!

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Posted by littletimmy on Saturday, October 14, 2017 4:37 PM

Devil Dawg
Might give you a good reason to learn resin casting, and make a copy of the open cowl flaps......

Resin is for people who "know" what their doing.    LOL

I will be scratch building the cowl flap's with Evergreen sheet plastic. ( I say plastic because I just discovered I cant spell Styrien.... Stireen.....Styrein???)

I washed the kit this morning using dishwashing soap and warm water.

As of this post she's in primer and I'm waiting for it to dry. Then it's on to interior painting. I have decided to try Model Maste Acrylic for the first time. Will be using MM Interior Green #FS34151       A.K.A. #4736 

Will be posting progress later today.

                      Dont worry about the thumbprint... paint it rust and call it "Battle damage" !

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Posted by littletimmy on Saturday, October 14, 2017 4:43 PM

Toshi
I’ll be following closely and I will be looking forward to your WIP.

I will be "darting" back and forth between this thread and your's ( mostly looking at your's)

This way I should be able to at least get enough idea's from you to build a convincing plane.

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Posted by littletimmy on Saturday, October 14, 2017 4:45 PM

M. Brindos
I am very VERY much looking forward to watching how you tackle the problems you are going to find during this build.

I'm just going to close my eye's and paint it.

That should work......... right?????????

 

 

( I do have a "HAMMER" standing by.............)

                      Dont worry about the thumbprint... paint it rust and call it "Battle damage" !

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Posted by Devil Dawg on Saturday, October 14, 2017 8:46 PM

littletimmy
 
Devil Dawg
Might give you a good reason to learn resin casting, and make a copy of the open cowl flaps......

Resin is for people who "know" what their doing.    LOL

I never know what I'm doing from one model to the next!

Devil Dawg

On The Bench: Travel 1/48th Hasegawa A-7 Corsair II;  Travel 1/48th Hasegawa F/A-18F Super Hornet;  Travel 1/48th Eduard/Hasegawa Ultimate Sabre with "MiG Mad Marine" markings;

Build one at a time? Hah! That'll be the day!!

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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Saturday, October 14, 2017 8:50 PM

I remember the original Monogram kit.  It was of the "next generation" (sadly last) of Monogram kits with increased details and stuff for modlers (and less reliance on operating parts and toy like gimmicks).  It also had a rather intimidating Shep Paine diorama 4-page color insert in there, too.

But, that was long long ago

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Posted by littletimmy on Saturday, October 14, 2017 10:17 PM

CapnMac82
(and less reliance on operating parts and toy like gimmicks).  It also had a rather intimidating Shep Paine diorama 4-page color insert in there, too

I remember building Monogram's P-51 "operating " Mustang. The canopy opened, the wheels retracted, the bomb's could be re-leased....ect.

I also remember Shep's diorama booklet.

I dont remember it "word for word" but I seem to recall he said     "resist the urge to fondle the part's". (somthing I always do anyway.)

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Posted by Retired In Kalifornia on Saturday, October 14, 2017 10:29 PM

CapnMac82

I remember the original Monogram kit.  It was of the "next generation" (sadly last) of Monogram kits with increased details and stuff for modlers (and less reliance on operating parts and toy like gimmicks).  It also had a rather intimidating Shep Paine diorama 4-page color insert in there, too.

But, that was long long ago

I'd likely built a few Monogram airplane kits in 1960s, by mid-1969 quit building altogether, missed out on the "next generation" kits. In 1978 when resumed building in earnest did build the 1/72 P-51B, H-75, Do 17Z, nice kits all.

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Posted by littletimmy on Sunday, October 15, 2017 12:39 PM

Retired In Kalifornia
In 1978 when resumed building in earnest did build the 1/72 P-51B, H-75, Do 17Z, nice kits all.

I have been wanting to do the  Do 17Z. Anything you could recommend / warn about the assembly?

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Posted by littletimmy on Sunday, October 15, 2017 12:51 PM

Due to my inability to stay focused on my last shopping spree, I got MM interior green in the bottle only. I totally forgot to get a rattle can of interior green.

Needless to say.... I will be brush painting the Entire interior. ( Thats right ... old school painting..... because I'm the master...   LOL   Because I dont have a choice.)

What I mannaged last night.

I probably wont get much done today...... I hate the way life get's in the way of modeling!

( Why can't I just be "institutionalised ...... then I would have all the time in the world to build  all day long...... ...... doubt they would let me near an X-acto......)

EDIT: I almost forgot. I primed with a "slightly" heavy coat of MM Flat Black and managed to cover almost all the crazing on the kit. I will still have to do some puttying and re-scribing on the worst wing. ( The one with the crecent moon around the engine nacil.)

 

 

                                          "SIGH"....................

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Posted by Retired In Kalifornia on Sunday, October 15, 2017 1:05 PM

littletimmy

 

 
Retired In Kalifornia
In 1978 when resumed building in earnest did build the 1/72 P-51B, H-75, Do 17Z, nice kits all.

 

I have been wanting to do the  Do 17Z. Anything you could recommend / warn about the assembly?

Very little other than be sure the nose transparency sits square on, might need to do bit of sanding, also check greenhouse canopy fits.

I have the FROG Do 17, will get to it "someday", think I'd built it also. The Airfix Do 17 kit looks inviting, wish it was around in 1960s; don't think Italeri put out one, their Do 217 line is very complete, ICM covers the Do 215 series well too.

I need to get a Do-17P-1 kit, RS Models has good line of "early pencils", will investigate further.

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Posted by DasBeav on Sunday, October 15, 2017 1:14 PM

Looks like a good start to me. I enjoyed building my Monogram P-61. Typical Monogram issues. Mine turned out pretty good...until the glass! Why they never came out with one piece canopiesbaffles me.

Sooner Born...Buckeye Bred.

 

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Posted by roony on Sunday, October 15, 2017 1:24 PM

The P-61 always catches my attention, because it is such a different looking bird.  Someone once suggested buying two kits.  That way the cowls are not a problem.  As a word of caution, it will take a LOT of weight to keep the nose gear on the ground.

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Posted by littletimmy on Sunday, October 15, 2017 1:29 PM

roony
As a word of caution, it will take a LOT of weight to keep the nose gear on the ground.

Yes. The last time I built one I "pounded" a TON of lead into the nose and under the cockpit.

I also have done the photo- recon version with the clear nose. ( I had to get very creative with the placement of the weight's on that one!)

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Posted by keavdog on Tuesday, October 17, 2017 4:00 AM

Tough to do a black bird.  Looking forward to your finish. 

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Posted by littletimmy on Monday, October 23, 2017 9:08 PM

keavdog
Tough to do a black bird.  Looking forward to your finish. 

I havent decided yet what paint sceme I will do. I was thinking of doing  Olive Drab over Grey and painting my wife on the nose.....( I'm not THAT good so it will be a pin-up girl that sort of looks like my wife.)

Or I could go the easy route and do the overall Black..... with my wife on the nose.

Anyway's..... I managed a little paint progress today.

Got the landing gear in silver. I will be following with an Aluminum and an overall Black wash.

Also got a bit of the interior painted..... there will be some touch-up's.

I kinda made a mess of the gauges for the "office" so ..... " I Must Re-Paint! And Thin No More !"

I took two shot's ...... just in case my photography skills matched my painting skill's 

Sorry if this build is taking forever.......I have been doing "BATTLE" with a post hole digger for the past two days so my hand's are killing me. 

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Posted by Shipwreck on Tuesday, October 24, 2017 4:10 AM

littletimmy
I was thinking of doing  Olive Drab over Grey and painting my wife on the nose.....( I'm not THAT good so it will be a pin-up girl that sort of looks like my wife.) Or I could go the easy route and do the overall Black..... with my wife on the nose.

Suppose that you were to reduce a photo of your wife to scale and print it on clear decal paper?

On the Bench:

     1/48 Star Wars X-wing

On Deck:

     1/48 P-47D Razorback

     1/48 Nieuport Ni-17

     1/350 USS Hornet CV-8

    

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Posted by littletimmy on Tuesday, October 24, 2017 5:16 PM

Shipwreck
Suppose that you were to reduce a photo of your wife to scale and print it on clear decal paper?

That would require  Teky knowlegy that I dont have.

I'm going to take her picture and cut it to shape and use it as a mask. Then paint her freehand. ( Watch..... I'll end up with that "happy face" from the 70's. )

                                             HAVE A NICE DAY.  LOL! 

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, October 24, 2017 6:33 PM

My F-I-Law "owned" one as the E-6 Crew Chief. As such, he named the airplane and his girlfriend was the nose art. All very G rated, one piece bathing suit and High School pennant.

But, like my wife does, she had very dark brown hair. So against the black a/c she became a blonde.

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, October 24, 2017 6:37 PM

It wouldn't be too hard. If you have a jpeg or a pdf, you can stick the image into a word document to print it.

Best case, shes against a black background. Makes trimming easy.

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Posted by littletimmy on Tuesday, October 24, 2017 6:55 PM

GMorrison
Best case, shes against a black background. Makes trimming easy.

Still not sure what paint scheme I will use. If  I go with Olive Drab there shouldn't be an issue. However , If I go with the Black paint...

My wife has Black hair. So I will have to outline her hair with a lighter color... like Blue. I have seen this done on a P-61 The Midnight Caller. That plane is the one I will be trying to duplicate the position of the Pin-up art. It may be a bit "R' rated , but not totally nude.

( My wife has told me in no uncertain terms that If I paint her naked I will get NO MORE FOOD !!! )

                      Dont worry about the thumbprint... paint it rust and call it "Battle damage" !

GAF
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Posted by GAF on Wednesday, October 25, 2017 3:55 AM

littletimmy

( My wife has told me in no uncertain terms that If I paint her naked I will get NO MORE FOOD !!! )

Why would your wife care what you wear while painting? Just tell her you don't want to get paint on your clean clothes.   Wink

Nice work, btw.

Gary

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Posted by Rotorhead13 on Wednesday, October 25, 2017 4:12 PM
Enjoyed the wisecrack from GAF. As to the paint, I thought you might like to know the black P-61's were mostly done in gloss paint. They did some tests at Eglin AFB and discovered searchlights easily picked out the plane when it was painted in flat, but the way the light refracted off the gloss made it much harder to detect. Since it was supposed to operate at night, this was an important consideration. I apologize if this is information you already knew, but thought I should mention it before you did the paint, just in case.
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Posted by littletimmy on Wednesday, October 25, 2017 8:36 PM

GAF
Why would your wife care what you wear while painting? Just tell her you don't want to get paint on your clean clothes.

Dont make me paint myself on this plane!

 

( How did the villager's come up with pitchfork's and torch's so fast ??????????? )

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Posted by littletimmy on Sunday, November 12, 2017 7:58 PM

Managed to get afew hour's to myself today so I made some more progress ....

 

 

                                     THE MESS SO FAR.......

 

Got the wheel's assembled and "rough" sanded..... I have to remember to "flat-spot" them.

Managed to get some more paint and a few decal's into the interior.

I have a few "touch-up's to do..... always with the touch-up's

Oh yeah.... had some help for a few "tense" minute's.

I have a question for you guy's.....

 I have built this kit 3 time's. every time I have painted the cockpit dash Zinc Chromate and the gauges Black. But I have seen a picture ( Black & White ) where the cockpit panel is Black with the gauge's Black. Is that correct?

Also have a "gripe" about the way this kit was molded.....

I know it's a crummy picture but,

Who in their right mind put's a sprue gate right in the detail part of a mesh vent?????

Now I have to cut the vent out and build my own.......

                                             ON ALL 4 VENT'S !!!!!

 

                               AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGG   !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

                      Dont worry about the thumbprint... paint it rust and call it "Battle damage" !

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