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Messerschmitte 321 gigant, Raised lines?

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Messerschmitte 321 gigant, Raised lines?
Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:18 AM
Hi all!

As I'm looking for more info about this one. I have the Italeri kit (1:72) and it is an old molding. So as the fuselage is represented real nicly and faithfuly to the photos (you can see the tubular construction "through" the fabric), the wings have some raised lines, would you suggest to scribe the lines instead, or were these a feature of the real glider?
It's very important to know because the wings themselves will be about 2 feet long.
Thanks.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:43 PM
I would have thought that the wings were made of wood, for lightness & cost reasons, also that wouldn't use up valuable aluminium that could be used to build fighters, bombers etc. So, on a wooden wing, would you have panel lines?, It would probably be skinned with sheets of plywood, then, to keep a nice aerofoil, filler at any joints, you'd need all the lift you could get to raise that thing off the ground.
I'd go for lightly scribing major joint lines & lose the rest.
After all, it's doubtful that anyone alive today has ever seen one, so who's going to argue with whatever you do?
Pete
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 11:25 PM
simply do without. its more Real.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 1, 2004 10:17 AM
Thanks guy's!
Albertsponson your answer make sense. I wonder if I could find so,e writen referances about it.
If there is anyone out there that know somthing please post it here.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 1, 2004 1:45 PM
Try www.fortunecity.co./meltingpot/ which has a kit review and some info + one or two pictures - not much detail there however.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 1, 2004 1:46 PM
Sorry - ww.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/
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Posted by qmiester on Thursday, April 1, 2004 3:31 PM
Just checked my Greene's "The Warplanes of the Third Reich" and he indicates that the Me 321 wing had a wooden leading edge and the rest of the wing was fabric covered. Which is somewhat deceptive because the wing is built including the wooden covered leading edge back to the first spar and then the entire wing is covered with fabric (some ragwings use metal to cover the leading edge). So in theory at least, there would be no lines other than between the wings and the control surfaces.

Now if I may, I'm going to rant a little about something which I am somewhat familiar with in 1 to 1 scale. I tend to get real heart burn in how the kit producers define the fabric covered surfaces on their models. I have no problems with the sag they build into them (thats what fabric tends to do under most situations), but their rendition of the cloth "weave" is ridiculous. Take a look at the sheets on your bed. The weave is somewhat hard to see even in 1 to 1 scale, let alone reduced to 1/48 or 1/72 scale. And this is before brush applying 3 coats of clear dope and 3 coats of Aluminum dope (minimum required by regs). In otherwords, on a model the only thing to represent the fabric covered areas should be the sag in that particular area.

I'm always amazed to go to an airshow and hear a number of people state that thay didn't know that the rudder of a P-51 or P-40 was fabric. And along the same lines, all of you know that the Mosquito was a wooden aircraft. but I'll bet the majority of you don't know that is was also fabric covered. Yep, they built it from composite wood and then covered it. Did several things for the airframe. Added strength, was much smoother and lighter than just paint or varnish (once doped and sanded) and helped retard rotting. There were several civilian aircraft built the same way (Bellanca aircraft come to mind).

So when treating an item which is supposed to be fabric covered, I try to remove the "weave" the kit manufacturer has applied. Thanks for letting me rant.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 3, 2004 3:47 PM
miduppergunner thaks for the link!

qmiester, please keep on ranting it's very usefull information, thanks!
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 3, 2004 3:48 PM
Finger trouble - www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/portland/971/Inbox/inbox.htm
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 3, 2004 4:30 PM
Oh yea, now it works. looks like a really good site! thanks for sharing.
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