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Vac-u-forming a Vac-u-formed Canopy

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  • From: Honolulu, Hawaii
Posted by Real G on Wednesday, November 28, 2018 11:14 AM

Don Stauffer

 

No, but....  The plaster is not sticky when hardened.  But, it is very brittle.  If there is any undercutting, you will break the mold.  You have to inspect the mold to see if the plaster mold will remove freely.  Most of the canopies and other parts I have done this too did not have any undercuts, but with some of the new slide molding technologies we may be seeing more parts that do.  For parts that have an undercut one could try making an rtv mold, but I don't know if that would mold well in vacu-form.  RTV is a pretty high temperature material, but may be too soft  Experimenting might be a good idea.

 

 

Don,

 

If a mold is made from RTV, from the outside of the original canopy, a plaster or resin cast can be made using the RVC mold.

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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Wednesday, November 28, 2018 9:39 AM

 

No, but....  The plaster is not sticky when hardened.  But, it is very brittle.  If there is any undercutting, you will break the mold.  You have to inspect the mold to see if the plaster mold will remove freely.  Most of the canopies and other parts I have done this too did not have any undercuts, but with some of the new slide molding technologies we may be seeing more parts that do.  For parts that have an undercut one could try making an rtv mold, but I don't know if that would mold well in vacu-form.  RTV is a pretty high temperature material, but may be too soft  Experimenting might be a good idea.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, November 27, 2018 11:26 PM

P o P is kind of old school, but it has it's merits.

When I was making model railroads I used to buy the stuff by the 25 lb bag. Freshness was a deal, having to do with the setting time.

Model railroaders would make an entire building or car in a single mold as it holds great detail.

If you buy a bag, and use some of it, keep the rest in an airtight bag. 

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Posted by Real G on Tuesday, November 27, 2018 10:02 PM

I have not.  If the plaster sets properly, the plug should come out with no problem.  Wash the original vac canopy out gently with soapy water.

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, November 27, 2018 9:32 PM

Can't hurt.

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Posted by UnwaryPaladin on Tuesday, November 27, 2018 9:30 PM

Don Stauffer

 

 
Linebacker

I've never used plaster. Which kind would you suggest for this purpose?

 

 

 

I use plaster of paris.  Be sure to get water to plaster ratio right, and mix thoroughly.

 

 

 

Do you need a release agent on the original canopy? 

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Posted by Real G on Tuesday, November 27, 2018 4:15 PM

You can get the stuff from craft stores.  I think hardware stores also carry it.

What I've done in the past is to make a slightly watery mix to slush into the cavity to get good coverage, followed by the mix ratio recommended by the manufacturer to fill the mold.

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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Tuesday, November 27, 2018 9:29 AM

Linebacker

I've never used plaster. Which kind would you suggest for this purpose?

 

I use plaster of paris.  Be sure to get water to plaster ratio right, and mix thoroughly.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Linebacker on Tuesday, November 27, 2018 9:22 AM

I've never used plaster. Which kind would you suggest for this purpose?

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, November 20, 2018 9:04 PM

Real G

Fill in the backside with quick set plaster, pop it out when it hardens, and you have a durable master “buck” to form new canopies.  Make a couple and use them instead of the original.  If you mess up, you can practice until you get good results.  if you cut a decent set, use it!  The original can be your back up plan in case all else fails.  HTH

 

What he (she) said. No, the original vac will melt in the Mattel machine. Dental plaster is a useful item.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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  • From: Honolulu, Hawaii
Posted by Real G on Tuesday, November 20, 2018 7:42 PM

Fill in the backside with quick set plaster, pop it out when it hardens, and you have a durable master “buck” to form new canopies.  Make a couple and use them instead of the original.  If you mess up, you can practice until you get good results.  if you cut a decent set, use it!  The original can be your back up plan in case all else fails.  HTH

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Posted by PFJN on Tuesday, November 20, 2018 7:40 PM

Hi,

I have had similar thoughts before as well.  One potential idea would be to maybe get some clay to make a "dummy" plug off the original canopy, and then use that "dummy" plug in your vacuformer.  I haven't tried it yet, but it might be a possibility.

PF

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Vac-u-forming a Vac-u-formed Canopy
Posted by Linebacker on Tuesday, November 20, 2018 7:12 PM

I have an old vac-u-formed canopy that I'm planning to use soon.  It is no longer produced and if I screw it up it's gone forever.  Is it possible to make a vac-u-form copy of the vac-u-form canopy?  Or will it melt the original.  I have an old Mattel vac-u-form machine.  My plan is to make a couple of copies and practice on those before I do surgery on the original. If it is impossible to do, can I use clay or whatever to make a mold from the original and then vac-u-form that?  Any info would be most apprecieated.

 

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